Pat Buchanan & nullification of sodomite unions

[Areopagus]

Gov. Schweitzer may have enlightened some formerly pitch-black minds about the way to deal with mandates from other branches of government. {1} So, Pat Buchanan made a case for the nullification of sodomite unions: {2}

1. "What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder," Christ taught. Through the Old Testament and into the epistles of St. Paul, homosexual sodomy is an abomination leading to personal destruction and damnation, one of the five sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance.

2. Elected representatives write our laws.

3. Californians have consistently expressed their opposition and voted against recognizing the idea of homosexual marriages and granting the benefits of married couples to same-sex unions.

4. Homosexual marriage is not in the California constitution, else someone would have discovered it in 160 years.

5. Four of seven justices unearthed this right by consulting what Orwell called their "smelly little orthodoxies." They then decided to overturn the expressed will of the voters, declare their opinion law and order the state of California to begin recognizing homosexual unions as marriages.

6. Not long ago, a governor of California would have laughed at the court and told the justices to go surfing, and ordered state officials not to issue the marriage licenses. The voters would have put the names of the four justices on the ballot in November and thrown them off the court, as they did Chief Justice Rose Bird, a generation ago.

7. Thomas Jefferson came into office and declared the Alien and Sedition Acts null and void, released all editors from jail, and refused to prosecute any more or to enforce the law. Andrew Jackson said of the great chief justice: "John Marshall has made his decision. Now let him enforce it."

8. In 2004, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom handed out marriage licenses to thousands of homosexuals. Today, conservative mayors in California, if there are any, might engage in similar civil disobedience against this latest judicial usurpation of the legislative power that belongs to elected representatives and the people.

There are over one million signatures for a constitutional marriage amendment on the November 2008 ballot. {3} But what happens in the interim? WorldNetDaily.com has an article describing the confusion in California. {4} Some believe that the anarchist court must be followed immediately. Why wait for the Governor and Legislature to rubber-stamp its illicit decree? The Alliance Defense Fund plays right along by asking the corrupt court for a delay in implementing its statute-breaking majority opinion. {5}

Buchanan mentioned Thomas Jefferson. What would he have to say about the rights of sodomites? Since this concerns California it would be most appropriate to quote a movie star’s findings: {6}

"Whosoever shall be guilty of rape, polygamy, or sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting thro' the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least" (Bill 64, 1779). Can you imagine a statesman proposing such a law today?

Why can’t you imagine a statesman proposing such a law today? The Los Angles Times has the answer: {7}

At Second Baptist Church in Los Angeles, the Rev. William Epps said his congregation has been focused on its 123rd anniversary -- which it celebrated Sunday -- and has given no thought to the Supreme Court ruling.

Traditional Baptist churches "would not embrace same-sex marriages," Epps said, although he would be happy to devote a Bible study session to the matter if anyone wanted.

He himself has never been asked to bless a same-sex union. And what would he do if a homosexual couple asked him to marry them now?

"I'd have to prayerfully think about it," Epps said in an interview. "I would think it would be something I would have to seriously grapple with."

Rev. Epps may not even own a Bible. So, a Bible study has been prepared for him: “The Christian confronted by homosexuality.” {8} It even references the actions of a small Baptist church in Sion, Switzerland. Rev. Epps should consider preaching along those lines sooner rather than later; or he may find that court in the near future directing him to start blessing all sorts of abominations, with or without the benefit of study. {9} Until he gets caught up on what God says about the abomination of sodomy, he could just start preaching like United State Supreme Court Chief Justice Burger did in court: {10}

I join the Court's opinion, but I write separately to underscore my view that, in constitutional terms, there is no such thing as a fundamental right to commit homosexual sodomy.

As the Court notes, ante at 192, the proscriptions against sodomy have very "ancient roots." Decisions of individuals relating to homosexual conduct have been subject to state intervention throughout the history of Western civilization. Condemnation of those practices is firmly rooted in Judeo-Christian moral and ethical standards. Homosexual sodomy was a capital crime under Roman law. See Code Theod. 9.7.6; Code Just. 9.9.31. See also D. Bailey, Homosexuality [p197] and the Western Christian Tradition 70-81 (1975). During the English Reformation, when powers of the ecclesiastical courts were transferred to the King's Courts, the first English statute criminalizing sodomy was passed. 25 Hen. VIII, ch. 6. Blackstone described "the infamous crime against nature" as an offense of "deeper malignity" than rape, a heinous act "the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature," and "a crime not fit to be named." 4 W. Blackstone, Commentaries *215. The common law of England, including its prohibition of sodomy, became the received law of Georgia and the other Colonies. In 1816, the Georgia Legislature passed the statute at issue here, and that statute has been continuously in force in one form or another since that time. To hold that the act of homosexual sodomy is somehow protected as a fundamental right would be to cast aside millennia of moral teaching.

This is essentially not a question of personal "preferences," but rather of the legislative authority of the State. I find nothing in the Constitution depriving a State of the power to enact the statute challenged here.

{1} http://www.newwest.net/index.php/top...al_id/C37/L37/ "The best way for Montana to deal with the federal government on THIS ISSUE AND MANY OTHERS is to say 'No. Nope. No way and hell no,'" Schweitzer said. Montana is among a number of state legislatures throughout the country rejecting Real ID, which seeks to crack down on illegal immigration by requiring proof of residency as a minimum standard for states to issue drivers' licenses.

{2} http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080523/...tI5ZQAmAKfts8F & http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=994 & http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080523/...pbux/op_336186 & http://www.amazon.com/Dethrone-Imper.../dp/0975526413 How to Dethrone the Imperial Judiciary


{3} http://www.protectmarriage.com/ On Thursday, May 22 the proponents of Prop. 22 requested a “stay” to delay the implementation of the Supreme Court’s decision to redefine marriage in California. The request simply asks the court to hold off on issuing “marriage” licenses to homosexual couples until a decision comes from the Secretary of State regarding qualification of the ballot initiative, or after the November election, when Californians will have the opportunity to define marriage and place that definition in the state constitution.

{4} http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65172 Richard Stapler, a spokesman for Assembly Speaker Karen Bass, told WND, "It is my understanding, with their ruling, it was the remedy for their finding that local entities were to make changes to licensing [forms and procedures] to conform with the court's ruling." He said his understanding was that "no legislative action" was needed for the "remedy of the opinion."Mark Horton, director of the state Public Health Department, oversees the state's Office of Vital Records, and spokeswoman Linette Scott simply stated, "We are going to be in compliance with the court order."


{5} http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/n....aspx?cid=4528 “Amending the state constitution is ultimately the only avenue to ensure that no one interferes with the will of the California people on the meaning of marriage,” Lavy said. “We hope that the court will allow the California people to have their say on the amendment without enduring the potential problems associated with implementing the court’s decision before then.”

{ } http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=59697 Is encouraging or teaching about homosexuality what our forefathers expected for the public education they founded? Even the most liberal among them opposed it. For example, Thomas Jefferson drafted a bill concerning the criminal laws of Virginia, in which he proposed that the penalty for sexual deviance should be unique corporal punishment. Jefferson's views were indeed representative of early America.


{7} http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...993,full.story Thursday's court decision is expected to add fuel to the debate, with several denominations poised to again take up gay-related issues at their national conventions this year.

{8} http://www.contra-mundum.org/essays/...osexuality.pdf The exemplary condemnation by the Torah of the most serious crimes attacking the family are in fact a system of judicial protection of the integrity of that foundational institution of society. In this way society protects itself from its own inherent tendencies to self-destruction. What our text tells us is that if such crimes are tolerated by any society, if they are covered by the leniency of Law courts and, worse still, if they come to be legitimated by laws which institutionalize crime, the inevitable consequence will be the destruction of the nation itself.


{9} http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_New...on_boost/9921/ Gay rights movement gets $65 million boost


{10} http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/htm...8_0186_ZC.html Bowers v. Hardwick

[Humble Theocrat]

As usual, Mr. Buchannon is spot on

[Areopagus]

Originally Posted by Humble Theocrat

As usual, Mr. Buchannon is spot on

Buchanan has a huge black mark against him. It would take an ocean of spot remover to change it to a lighter shade of gray.

Buchanan is far from consistent: “Shame on Buchanan.” {1} That article lists numerous pitch-black minds in the same condition as Buchanan’s: The Christian Coalition, Heritage Foundation, Phyllis Schlafly, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, the LeHayes, Fox News, the Rush Limbaughs of the world, Human Events, The Washington Times, The Wall Street Journal and Republicans in Congress.

Christians are to have a singular method of operation: {2}

• Ephesians 2:8-9, We are saved by faith.
• Rom. 1:17, We live by faith.
• Rom. 4:13, We receive righteousness by faith.
• Rom. 5:1, We are justified in Christ by faith
• Rom. 5:2, We have access to God’s grace by faith.
• 2 Cor. 1:24, We stand firm in our belief by faith.
• Gal. 3:14, We receive the promise of the Spirit by faith.
• 1 Tim. 1:4, We do God’s work by faith.
• Gal. 5:5, We wait for the return of Christ by faith.
• Indeed, faith is very important; it is vital to the Christian.

The object of that faith isn’t evil, or the mythical lesser-evil. {3} The object of that faith is God, whose goodness should lead all to repent from trusting in pragmatism that leads to promoting evil: “When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn” (Proverbs 29:2).

“Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31). How does voting for evil glorify God? If it can be demonstrated that it does, why do anything good? If man's chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy him for ever, why glorify Satan by doing the works of darkness (Ephesians 5:11)? {4}

There are some county clerks in California who will refuse to issue any licenses for sodomy. {5}

On May 27, Campaign for Children and Families (CCF) faxed letters and documentation to 38 of 58 county clerks, where the man-woman marriage ethic is its strongest in California. Already several clerks have responded, telling CCF they intend NOT to issue any same-sex "marriage" licenses.

CCF's letter and legal documentation reached clerks on Wednesday, the same day that the Schwarzenegger administration sent clerks altered marriage license application forms, replacing the statutory "bride"/"groom" requirement with unlawful "Party A" and "Party B" designations.

The Christian Coalition, Heritage Foundation, Phyllis Schlafly, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, the LeHayes, Fox News, the Rush Limbaughs of the world, Human Events, The Washington Times, The Wall Street Journal and Republicans in Congress need to support the county clerks. Will they support the interposition of the California county clerks or will they oppose them like the majority did in the kangaroo court case against Chief Justice Roy Moore?

NOTES & QUOTES:

{1} http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com..._Buchanan.html Buchanan has come out in support of voting for the "lesser of two evils" (George Bush) rather than voting for Michael Peroutka, voting one's conscience for the Constitution Party candidate, a staunch pro-life, anti-United Nations, pro-U.S. sovereignty candidate. Is Buchanan suffering from amnesia? Isn't what he is doing exactly what was done to him four years ago by conservatives who voted for "the lesser of two evils" rather than voting for him?

{2} http://www.carm.org/sermons/Heb_11_1.htm

{3} http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/06/27/000230.php Lesser evil voters are phony, and they produce a phony political system. Lesser evil voters contribute mightily to the travesty of our political system that no sane person respects and has confidence in. Lesser evil voting demonstrates the worst aspects of political compromise. This is the common cause of terrible laws. When citizens surrender so much of what they truly believe in, they enable compromise politicians to create bad public policy that, in the end, satisfies very few people and puts band-aids on severe problems. They fail to see the repeated long term consequence of their style of voting - a system over many election cycles that persists in delivering suboptimal results. The "good" outcome in the current election (from their perspective) is the enemy of the "better" solution in the longer term (from an objective perspective). The better solution is major reform that will never happen as long as lesser evil voting persists.


{4} http://www.icr.org/article/2780/ In these days of moral confusion, with attitudes and actions once outlawed by society now being defended and favored (e.g., sexual promiscuity and perversion), and with once-honored attributes now ridiculed (e.g., chastity, spirituality), there are great pressures on Christians to compromise with these works of darkness. God and His standards do not change, however, and He still expects us to shun and reprove them.

{5} http://christiannewswire.com/news/388246771.html "We're encouraging the clerks to abide by the express will of the written California Constitution and the man-woman marriage statutes, and to respect the democratic process which will be decided at the ballot box in November, by not issuing marriage licenses to anyone but a man and woman," said CCF President Randy Thomasson. "The judges and the Governor are violating the Constitution and the statutes, but county clerks know they have a duty follow the statutes, which haven't been changed yet. Clerks don't have to issue homosexual 'marriage' licenses, and they shouldn't." http://www.savecalifornia.com/getplu...hp?newsid=9908 Gary Kreep, executive director of the San Diego-based United States Justice Foundation, is offering pro bono legal counsel to clerks who resist the Supreme Court’s unconstitutional ruling:

[Humble Theocrat]

If Texas, where I am resedent, were to enforce her sodomy laws, this may all be a good thing. If a couple were to come from California with a marrige licence, the state of Texas could use this as evedence to get a warrent, and arrest such persons

[chinese_conservative]

I am not sure we should make being a homosexual a crime. Only by the grace of God can a homosexual be made whole again. Many people have turned away from the lifestyle using programs like Focus on the Family's Love Won Out. I don't think this would have happened if they had been arrested. This is why I oppose the Supreme Court ruling about Texas' laws on constitutional grounds but the laws should have been repealed.

[exmarine]

Originally Posted by Humble Theocrat

If Texas, where I am resedent, were to enforce her sodomy laws, this may all be a good thing. If a couple were to come from California with a marrige licence, the state of Texas could use this as evedence to get a warrent, and arrest such persons

Only one problem - the U.S. Supreme Court struck down Texas sodomy laws in Lawrence v. Texas, a ruling that actually REVERSED an earlier SCOTUS ruling! So much for stare decisis - the courts operate on their own ideological whims!

I support the overt DEFIANCE of court rulings that are: (1) Contrary to the plain wording of State and U.S. Constitutions, (2) contrary to clearly constitutional laws passed by the legislatures, (3) contrary to universal moral laws.

Areopagus is right. It's a waste of time to continue to give credence to these outlaw courts by playing the game their way. It's time for INTERPOSITION AND DEFIANCE. The problem is that governors and mayors are as corrupt as the courts. Ahh-nold is an empty suit - might as well be a mannequin in the governor's mansion.

It is coming to the point in this country where there will either be a revolution whereby the people will take the country back, or it will revert to an oppressive police state. Sad to say, moral issues like homosexual marriage and outlaw courts will not be the catalysts that will tip the scales - it will be the financial meltdown of the U.S. economy. Hungry and homeless people are angry people. However, since I do not believe that the American people have the moral character to re-establish the rule of law, a popular revolt would be ugly and misguided. America's only hope is divine intervention.

[Areopagus]

Originally Posted by chinese_conservative

I am not sure we should make being a homosexual a crime. Only by the grace of God can a homosexual be made whole again. Many people have turned away from the lifestyle using programs like Focus on the Family's Love Won Out. I don't think this would have happened if they had been arrested. This is why I oppose the Supreme Court ruling about Texas' laws on constitutional grounds but the laws should have been repealed.

Look who is next in line to be excused for their crimes on your grounds for justice.

• I am not sure we should make being a murderer a crime. Only by the grace of God can a murderer be made whole again.

• I am not sure we should make being a rapist a crime. Only by the grace of God can a rapist be made whole again.

• I am not sure we should make being a arsonist a crime. Only by the grace of God can a arsonist be made whole again.

• I am not sure we should make being a child molesting sodomite pederast a crime. Only by the grace of God can a child molesting sodomite pederast be made whole again.


Read “The Christian confronted by homosexuality” http://www.contra-mundum.org/essays/...osexuality.pdf

And consider the following 13 arguments:


1. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/Suprem...r.ami.aclj.pdf

2. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/Suprem...er.ami.afa.pdf

3. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/Suprem...er.ami.cap.pdf

4. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/Suprem...r.ami.clji.pdf

5. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/Suprem...r.ami.coic.pdf

6. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/Suprem...er.ami.cwa.pdf

7. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/Suprem...er.ami.frc.pdf

8. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/Suprem...mer.ami.lc.pdf

9. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/Suprem...r.ami.paus.pdf

10. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/Suprem...ami.states.pdf

11. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/Suprem...er.ami.tef.pdf

12. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/Suprem...ami.texleg.pdf

13. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/Suprem...r.ami.tprc.pdf

[Humble Theocrat]

It dosent matter if the courts struck down the sodomy laws in Lawrence V Texas. We ought enforce our laws anyway

[Humble Theocrat]

In response to Chinees conservative. Its true that only God can make them whole again, but this is true of any crime. The states role is not to make anyone whole, but rather to punish crimes.

[chinese_conservative]

Well when the adulterous woman was about to be stone Jesus did say he who is without sin may cast the first stone. (John 8:7). Adultery is just as bad as gay sex. Anyways the comparsion of gay marriage to interracial marriage shows the difference between the civil rights and civil wrongs movement. The Bible does not say interracial marriage is wrong. In fact when Moses married a black woman from Cush his sister speaks out against this. She is then strick by leprosy (Numbers 12:1-12).
When people talk about the 1960s they tend to speak of it as one big movement but it is not. Here is why. The racial civil rights movement was centered around the black church. The bus boycott was started by members of the Dexter Avenue Baptist Church. The black Christians asked God to help America live up to its Christian values. While black Christians were being attacked by dogs and fire hoses the hippies were having fun with their group sex and were smoking LSD. While the blacks were having their churches firebombed during worship service the hippies were busy worshiping the goddess Gaia. This was the beginning of the civil wrongs movement which introduced legalized abortion and gay marriage. I promise you that when liberals talk about desegregation they are talking about letting the girls use the boy's restroom(not that any sane girl would want to do that).