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			<title>Sorry, But There Is No CHRISTIAN Defense For Glenn Beck.....</title>
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A concerned Christian writes me re: another professed Christian who, evidently, has no problem with Glenn Beck. Below, in first "comment", are what is said in defense of Beck and my comments; your comments welcome... 
 
*FRIEND:* I know that Beck doesn't believe in Christ, but neither did...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>9/3/10<br />
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A concerned Christian writes me re: another professed Christian who, evidently, has no problem with Glenn Beck. Below, in first &quot;comment&quot;, are what is said in defense of Beck and my comments; your comments welcome...<br />
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<b>FRIEND:</b> I know that Beck doesn't believe in Christ, but neither did Thomas Jefferson. Does that make the Declaration of Independence any less legitimate? Do we question his integrity or sincerity? NO! <br />
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<b>COMMENT:</b> Forget the analogies, please. Let's stick to Beck, a Mormon, whose religion teaches, among other things, that Jesus is the spiritual brother of Lucifer. Beck is an unbeliever. God's Word says unbelievers are, among other things, wicked. Thus, Beck is wicked. And our Lord says that those who reject Him as God are children of the devil (John 8:44ff). So, Beck is a wicked child of the devil.<br />
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<b>FRIEND:</b> I understand the pluralist problem with Beck ----<br />
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<b>COMMENT</b>: Whoa! Whoa! Scripture says Beck is a WICKED CHILD OF THE DEVIL! That's a lot more than just a &quot;pluralist problem&quot;!<br />
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<b>FRIEND:</b> and I pray that he will come to Christ for salvation ---<br />
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<b>COMMENT</b>: So do I! But, until he does, until God saves him, he is A WICKED CHILD OF THE DEVIL.<br />
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<b>FRIEND:</b> but I reject the idea that only a born again Christian can hold a legitimate conservative position regarding our government and Constitution. <br />
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<b>COMMENT:</b> With all due respect, I, as a Bible-believing Christian, do not care about any &quot;conservative&quot; position regarding anything. God's Word is my standard re: well...re: everything.<br />
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<b>FRIEND:</b> There are many conservative Jews and Mormons out there. Furthermore, I am not always able to discern from a distance what is in a man's heart. I'll leave that for God. <br />
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<b>COMMENT</b>: Amen! And God has told us how to judge a heart -- by fruits, by the law and the prophets, by Scripture. But, with Beck we KNOW his heart. He says he is a Mormon, an unbeliever, according to Scripture.<br />
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<b>FRIEND:</b> Beck is under vicious attack from the left and they would like nothing more than to discredit the messenger. They see where this is going and they hate it. <br />
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<b>COMMENT</b>: Who Beck is attacked by is utterly irrelevant as to what CHRISTIANS should think of him. In all his &quot;God-talk&quot; Beck has said NOTHING re: The necessity of being born-again; Jesus as THE Way, THE Truth, THE Life; the need for repentance; he's not mentioned sin at all. Beck is simply a secular, &quot;conservative&quot; humanist who told Bill O'Reilly that no, he (Beck) is NOT saying there is a right or wrong God which is why he had on the platform with him preachers, priests, rabbis and Islamic imams.<br />
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<b>FRIEND:</b> Conservatism has been rekindled and it threatens their progressive ideology. And I must admit, it's a little strange to see out own throwing wet blankets on it. We've known each other for many years. We both know we're not likely to change our opinions. You have yours and I have mine. God bless. <br />
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<b>COMMENT</b>: Again, please, I do not care about &quot;conservatism.&quot; I care, FIRST, about Christ and trying to restore our once great Christian Commonwealth. As for our &quot;opinions,&quot; if we are both Christians we should agree with GOD, with His Word. Biblically speaking, Beck is a false prophet who is leading people to Hell because he preaches revival without Christ.</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[Some Thoughts Re: Glenn Beck, His Rally...From My "Facebook" Wall...Comments Welcome....]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[John Lofton IMPORTANT, REVEALING OMISSIONS IN BECK'S GOD-TALK: He never* speaks of: Jesus, the Christ, as THE Way, THE Truth, THE Life; the necessity of being born-again; sin; repentance. Beck's "turn-to-God" talk is typical calling on God as "life-and-fire insurance," NOT as Lord and Saviour. Beck...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>John Lofton IMPORTANT, REVEALING OMISSIONS IN BECK'S GOD-TALK: He never* speaks of: Jesus, the Christ, as THE Way, THE Truth, THE Life; the necessity of being born-again; sin; repentance. Beck's &quot;turn-to-God&quot; talk is typical calling on God as &quot;life-and-fire insurance,&quot; NOT as Lord and Saviour. Beck IS a false prophet.&#8232;&#8232;*To my knowledge.<br />
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John Lofton Beck's secular humanism was also on display on his Monday night show when he said his rally could mean nothing unless WE do something: &quot;It's up to YOU as an individual --- you -- change ---the ---world,&quot; he said.<br />
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John Lofton Beck on his Monday night show says media ignored his &quot;black robed regiment...240 men and women of the cloth on stage, pastors, priests, rabbis and, yes, imams linked arms. They were talking about the big principles of life.&quot; The &quot;black regiments&quot; in our War for Independence were CHRISTIAN PASTORS ONLY; their &quot;big principle&quot; was that Jesus is God -- unlike Beck's Tower Of Babel &quot;religious&quot; lineup....<br />
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John Lofton Beck on his Monday night show re: his rally says &quot;many miracles&quot; happened there one &quot;miracle&quot; being at 9:59 am a flock of geese flew over the crowd; &quot;God's flyover,&quot; he called it. How this was a &quot;miracle&quot; Beck never --- forget it...most of what he says is incoherent...incomprehensible....<br />
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John Lofton &#8206;&quot;Build it and they will come,&quot; said Beck at his rally. But, what, exactly, or even approximately, is the &quot;it&quot; Beck is building? has built? wants to build? Seriously, what do you think he is doing? Comment, please...<br />
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John Lofton An amazing omission! How could Glenn Beck do it? How could he hold that rally, with all those people, and forget to tell them: &quot;Today is the first day of the rest of your life!&quot;<br />
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John Lofton A new message Beck giveth unto us: Redemption through scar tissue! At his rally: &quot;We have a choice... We can either look at our scars, the scars of the nation,...We have a choice today, to either let those scars crush us, or redeem us.&quot; Oh, well, at least WE get to CHOOSE.....the man is daft...<br />
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John Lofton How bizarre (and historically ignorant) that Glenn Beck, at his rally, would lament the scars we have as a nation while praising the murderous tyrant Lincoln as “a giant of an American, casting a shadow on all of us” -- which “Dishonest Abe” did by waging war on those in the South who simply wanted to govern themselves.<br />
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John Lofton Beck, Palin, their ilk running scared, fearful of &quot;They&quot; who are trying to take &quot;OUR country,&quot; are trying to steal our &quot;core values&quot; (never defined, of course) so &quot;We&quot; need to reclaim, restore, not to let'em, blah, blah. But fear is NOT the fruit of the Christian Spirit. In fact, among those in the lake of fire are the &quot;fearful&quot; (Rev.21:8) because fearfulness = faithlessness, unbelief...<br />
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John Lofton Glenn Beck's &quot;Be Your Highest Self&quot; message sounds like something the serpent might have told Eve....in fact, that's, basically, what the serpent DID tell Eve....<br />
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John Lofton DEADLY COMBINATION: Glenn Beck says message of his rally: &quot;Be your highest self.&quot; Great.....he's channeling, of all people, JOEL OSTEEN!!!&#8232;&#8232;&#8232;<a href="http://www.fitbodybooks.com/store/image/1c68h/Self_Help_Books_Your_Best_Life_Now.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.fitbodybooks.com/store/im...t_Life_Now.jpg</a><br />
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John Lofton Beck at rally: &quot;&quot;For too long, this country has wandered in darkness,&quot; says the man who is in the demonic darkness of Mormonism....<br />
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John Lofton Beck at rally: &quot;For too long, this country has wandered in darkness,&quot;&#8232;said Beck . He said it was now time to &quot;concentrate on the good&#8232;things in America, the things we have accomplished and the things&#8232;we can do tomorrow.&quot; YES! YES! TO US BE THE GLORY! GREAT THINGS WE HAVE DONE! A MIGHTY FORTRESSS ARE WE OURSELVES!<br />
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John Lofton Beck at his rally: &quot;Something beyond imagination is happening.&quot; True! That so many people would show up at a Beck rally is &quot;beyond imagination&quot;.....showing, with a vengeance, that we are much further along toward the dustbin of history than I thought....<br />
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John Lofton Beck at rally: &quot;One man can change the world. That man or woman is you. You make the difference.&quot; Well, NO; that &quot;man&quot; is the Lord Jesus Christ Who Beck's Mormon faith teaches is the spiritual brother of Lucifer. His statement here sounds like Oprah, or &quot;Dr. Phil&quot; or any other &quot;motivational speaker&quot; trying to make millions of $$$$$$...<br />
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John Lofton &#8206;&quot;Newsmax&quot; Headline: &#8232;&quot;Glenn Beck Rally: America Turning Back to God.&quot; But, which &quot;God?&quot; -- the &quot;God/god&quot; of Mormonism, Beck's religion? And to see all those &quot;Christians&quot; being used as prop's in his play is quite astounding. No, Beck's is an &quot;UNKNOWN GOD&quot; (Acts 17:23)...<br />
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John Lofton Saw Glenn Beck making a point of the fact that at his rally he would NOT be standing where Martin Luther King stood in 1963 at his rally; Beck called the spot where King stood &quot;sacred.&quot; Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!<br />
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John Lofton Another thing wrong re: The Big Beck March on Washington DC: REAL change, CHRISTIAN change, is most unlikely to start from the top down, with a bunch of people assembling to discuss anything as abstract, and thus useless, as the need to &quot;Restore Honor&quot;...<br />
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John Lofton Seriously...How in the world can Glenn Beck want to &quot;Restore Honor&quot; AND lionize Martin Luther King who, among other things, was a serial whoremonger/adulterer who DIShonored his wedding vows, whoring around until literally the night before his murder, according to his friend Ralph Abernathy, another &quot;preacher&quot;?<br />
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John Lofton Holding a huge rally in Washington DC for anything is, in my judgment, a huge waste of time, money and energy accomplishing NOTHING for the Kingdom of God. Is such action Scriptural? Did the early Church do this re: the tyrants they were under? No. They simply obeyed God and He blessed this...We must not perform to be seen of men; we are not Pharisees....<br />
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John Lofton Glenn Beck seems always on the cusp of a nervous breakdown.....just about ready to strip off his clothes and jump out the nearest window....seriously...if you rule out multiple personalties (demon-possession) there is no explaining his actions, words....<br />
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John Lofton Seems like very time I tune in, even briefly, it gets worse. Saw Glenn Beck saying &quot;the shiny city on a hill &quot;is the same story whether you call it Atlantis, New Jerusalem or Zion&quot;, blah, blah. ATLANTIS!? Well, no. The phrase (minus &quot;shining') is from Matthew 5:14; the basis for John Winthrop sermon &quot;A Model Of Christian Charity.&quot; ATLANTIS! The man is daft.....<br />
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John Lofton Saw Glenn Beck, in Katy Couric interview, re: his Mormonism, say that we are &quot;all born as God's children&quot; which is often said but not true. All made in God's image, yes. Not all God's children. All who reject Christ as God are, as He says, children of the devil (John 8:44ff.)<br />
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John Lofton &#8206;&quot;Whites don't own Abraham Lincoln.&quot; -- Glenn Beck. Can't imagine why any &quot;white&quot; (or any other color person) would want to even RENT Lincoln, a murderous tyrant lionized by idiot-Beck.</div>

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			<title>Worth Watching Re: Commerce Clause....</title>
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			<title>Very Humorous....Or So I Think.....</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[&#8206;*"The Debating Society" by Augustus Baldwin Longstreet will not be everyone's cup of tea. But, I found it to be hilarious, reminding me of so many Congressional "debates," other nonsensical conversations I have heard and, on occasion, perhaps, initiated...comments welcome... 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>&#8206;<b>&quot;The Debating Society&quot; by Augustus Baldwin Longstreet will not be everyone's cup of tea. But, I found it to be hilarious, reminding me of so many Congressional &quot;debates,&quot; other nonsensical conversations I have heard and, on occasion, perhaps, initiated...comments welcome...<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[More Audio "Arghhhhs! From The Abyss"..Hear'em And Weep......]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[John Lofton Two Lost Souls: Mormon *_Glenn Beck_* chats with "spiritualist" _*Bill O'Reilly*_ re: "faith" -- "faith" in...in....well, in "faith...and some "God/god?" to be found in churches, synagogues, mosques...comments?&#8232;&#8232; 
 
http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/beck%2046.mp3 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>John Lofton Two Lost Souls: Mormon <b><u>Glenn Beck</u></b> chats with &quot;spiritualist&quot; <u><b>Bill O'Reilly</b></u> re: &quot;faith&quot; -- &quot;faith&quot; in...in....well, in &quot;faith...and some &quot;God/god?&quot; to be found in churches, synagogues, mosques...comments?&#8232;&#8232;<br />
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<a href="http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/beck%2046.mp3" target="_blank">http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/beck%2046.mp3</a><br />
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John Lofton <b><u>Obama</u></b> at White House speaking to <u><b>Muslims</b></u> re: NYC/&quot;mosque&quot; flap; too bad Prez didn't go on to say where &quot;right&quot; to practice false religions originates. I mean , he IS a Christian, right? So, he believes there are &quot;false religions,&quot; right? .....comments?&#8232;<br />
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<a href="http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/obama%20165.mp3" target="_blank">http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/obama%20165.mp3</a><br />
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John Lofton Then, in Florida, <u><b>Prez O </b></u>invokes &quot;our founding&quot; to defend &quot;right&quot; of false religions -- which NO FOUNDER believed in (founding started in early 1600s)...<br />
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<a href="http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/obama%20166.mp3" target="_blank">http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/obama%20166.mp3</a><br />
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John Lofton More <u><b>Beck/O'Reilly</b></u>, re: homo &quot;marriage&quot;; Beck mangles Jefferson quote which is quoted fully below. Beck is clueless re: almost anything he discusses...comments?&#8232;<br />
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<a href="http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/beck%2047.mp3" target="_blank">http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/beck%2047.mp3</a><br />
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Here's full <u><b>Jefferson </b></u>quote: &quot;But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782<br />
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So, Beck, who says we must return to &quot;faith,&quot; quotes a Jefferson quote saying it makes no difference what God/god anybody worships! Arghhhhh!<br />
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John Lofton MSNBC's <u><b>Keith Olbermann</b></u> also invokes our Founding/Constitution/religious freedom to defend building of NYC &quot;mosque&quot; when, as noted previously, no Founder (REAL Founders in early 1600s) would have defended &quot;right&quot; of the Turk to worship; total nonsense...comments?&#8232;&#8232;<br />
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<a href="http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/olberman%2027.mp3" target="_blank">http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/av...erman%2027.mp3</a>...<br />
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John Lofton And now (drum roll, cymbal clash, please)..<u><b>READING TO DOGS!</b></u> An &quot;ABC World News Tonight&quot; report (8/18/10)....my comments interspersed...yours welcome....&#8232;<br />
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<a href="http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/dogs%201.mp3" target="_blank">http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/dogs%201.mp3</a><br />
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John Lofton Mormon <u><b>Glenn Beck </b></u>spreading the <u><b>Big Lie</b></u> that it is &quot;radicalized Islam&quot; that has &quot;hijacked a beautiful religion;&quot; said this on ABC's &quot;Good Morning America,&quot; November 2006....&#8232;&#8232;<br />
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John Lofton Have you caught the act of <u><b>Michael Eric Dyson</b></u>? Yikes! Here is some of wht he said to <u><b>MSNBC's Keith Olbermann</b></u> re: polls showing many folks think Obama Muslim/don't know wht his religion is...comments welcome<br />
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Here's article I wrote commenting on Dyson's remarks:<br />
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			<title>Nation-building in Iraq: epic fail</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Here's a surprisingly frank analysis (http://action.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147497628) of America's involvement in Middle Eastern military action from Brian Fisher at American Family Association.  His "Rightly Concerned" blog has the following commentary. 
 
 
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Date:  8/19/2010 8:35:13 AM<br />
by Bryan Fischer<br />
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When President Bush sent our troops into Iraq in 2003, I remember telling my pastoral colleagues that there was one criterion and one criterion only for determining whether our invasion and attempt at nation-building would be a success: whether we left behind a nation with genuine religious liberty for Christians and Jews. <br />
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By that measure, the only measure that counts, our nation-building mission there is an epic fail. <br />
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Christians in Iraq, strangely, were better off under Saddam Hussein (I am not, by the way, lamenting his demise in any way, shape, or form). He provided a measure of protection for the church, because he needed Christians to help him run the country. Christians were the only decent, trustworthy, honest people he could find. Islam simply doesn’t produce men with the kind of character and integrity needed to run a country, and Saddam could see that. <br />
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When Saddam was toppled, with him went what protection Christians enjoyed. Even with a strong U.S. military presence in Iraq, life became increasingly precarious for followers of Christ. Their homes were torched, they were murdered, they were threatened, and the land of the free and the home of the brave did virtually nothing to help them. <br />
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They were forced to scatter, especially from Baghdad, and flee to safe havens in remote parts of Iraq or flee the country altogether. <br />
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As our troops leave, there are fewer than half the number of Christians in Iraq today than there were on the day we went in. <br />
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The new constitution which, God help us, we spilled American blood to create, officially makes Iraq an Islamic Republic, and its constitution says no law may contradict Sharia law. The ratification of that constitution was simultaneously a death warrant for the Christians in Iraq. <br />
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It is inexcusable for a Christian nation to use its might as we did and leave behind circumstances in which our fellow Christians are more at risk than ever before. <br />
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Without the stabilizing values and presence of the Prince of Peace, I guarantee that Iraq will quickly plunge into a sinkhole of death, murder, mayhem, and sectarian violence, as Muslims, with no Christians left to blow up, turn on each other. What a tragic waste of American blood and American treasure. <br />
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Worse, we have done the people of Iraq lasting harm by our nation-building efforts. God’s ancient promise to Abraham has never been rescinded: “I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse” (Genesis 12:3).  <br />
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Bottom line: God blesses nations who are kind to Christians and Jews, the descendants of Abraham, and curses those nations who are not. If we had an enlightened policy with regard to Iraq, the one thing we would have insisted on is complete freedom of religion for Christians and Jews. We did nothing of the sort, and consequently have spent seven years only to leave behind a nation that officially rests under the curse of God. What a waste. <br />
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It grieves me to the bottom of my soul to think of the soldiers who bravely gave their last full measure of devotion in such a misbegotten cause. They served bravely and well; it was their leadership that let them down. <br />
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All this is due to President Bush’s naive short-sightedness about the true nature of Islam and what it does to the human spirit. I believe him to be an honest and decent man, but deceived and foolish when it came to Islam. <br />
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He genuinely seemed to believe that Islam is a religion of peace which had been hijacked by evil men. The truth is the other way round. Islam is a barbaric religion of violence and war. The only hijacking that’s been done is by those trying to fool people into thinking it’s something benign. <br />
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President Bush also naively believed that the hunger for freedom beats in every human heart, and that the mere taste of freedom would create a thirst for more. That’s because he has grown up in a Christian nation where the Spirit of God has formed the DNA of the American soul. As the Scripture says, “Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom” (2 Corinthians 2:17). <br />
<br />
But the Spirit of the Lord is absent in Islamic lands, and the dark spirit that animates Islam has extinguished the spirit of liberty in those lands and in the hearts of their people. Their spiritual DNA has been altered in such a horrible way that what they hunger for is domination, destruction, and the death of the infidels. It is impossible for such a people to harbor a thirst for freedom apart from a massive spiritual awakening represented by an embrace of Christianity. <br />
<br />
No, it is impossible to build a free nation on a platform of Islam. It was foolish and expensive even to try. <br />
<br />
I’ve never felt that nation-building was the proper use of the U.S. military anyway. With regard to Iraq and its people, it’s their nation, and respect for sovereignty dictates that we let them build the nation they want. <br />
<br />
The role of the military is to kill people and break things so that the bad guys are eliminated and the threat to the American people is neutralized. Then we leave, and tell the citizenry on the way out, listen, if you don’t want us to come back and bomb you back to the Stone Age again, be sure the next guy is better than the last one. You build whatever country you want, that’s up to you, but you endanger the lives of Americans again, we’ll be back and do this all over again til you get your minds right. Either convert to Christ or leave us alone, but you’d better do one or the other. <br />
<br />
Truly it was “Mission Accomplished” when Saddam was toppled. That was the time to come home, celebrate our crushing military victory, and let the Iraqis build whatever nation they wanted to build on the rubble of Saddam’s regime. <br />
<br />
We’re making the same mistake in Afghanistan. There is no way to build a freedom-loving nation on the rotting, decaying foundation of Islam. If Afghanistan is not willing to embrace Christianity, then we ought to leave enough elite forces there to go get the Taliban wherever they are and blow them out of their caves and their houses and into the waiting arms of their 72 virgins. <br />
<br />
Forget trying to get the civilian population to like us. Won’t work, for their god teaches them to hate our guts. Forget the insane rules of engagement, in which we put American lives in danger anytime the Taliban drags civilians around with them. If the Taliban uses civilians as human shields, and civilians are killed as we assault the Taliban, the blood of those innocents rests on the head of the Taliban, not the United States.  <br />
<br />
Let’s leave the nation-building to the Afghanis, and tell them on the way out, hey, if you don’t want us back, you better do something about bin Laden and his Taliban jihadis, because we have lost patience with Islam and its war on Christian America. <br />
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  (Unless otherwise noted, the opinions expressed are the author’s and do not necessarily reflect the views of the American Family Association or American Family Radio.) 
			
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</div>I'm sure most will have some disagreements as to his reasons why America should involve its military and his &quot;bottom line&quot; but even though late I think Brian should be encouraged because he will get some angry email over this commentary.<br />
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For the King,<br />
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			<description><![CDATA[Glenn Beck (a Mormon) tells GOP cheerleaders at "Newsmax" that trying to "restore" our country "impossible to do it if we don't have honor" ("restored" to what, not said; "honor" not defined.) What really matters: Our once great Christian country will not be restored apart from repentance, a return...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Glenn Beck (a Mormon) tells GOP cheerleaders at &quot;Newsmax&quot; that trying to &quot;restore&quot; our country &quot;impossible to do it if we don't have honor&quot; (&quot;restored&quot; to what, not said; &quot;honor&quot; not defined.) What really matters: Our once great Christian country will not be restored apart from repentance, a return to God/Christ. Beck also says: Obama Administration &quot;Most Corrupt of All Time.&quot;<br />
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<a href="http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/glenn-beck-obama-corrupt-restoring-honor-military/2010/08/20/id/368040" target="_blank">http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gle...8/20/id/368040</a><br />
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In same &quot;Newsmax&quot; interview, Beck, citing recent Gallup poll that shows the 76 percent of Americans have a great deal of confidence in the U.S. military, says: &quot;I was pondering why [the military], and it's because they're honorable,&quot; Becks says. &quot;They'll do the tough things. They'll do them because they're the right things to do. And we still believe in them … generally speaking, they are the only things we still believe in, that and our religious organizations.&quot; <br />
<br />
Currently, our &quot;honorable&quot; military waging at least two unGodly, unConstitutional, DIShonorable wars which are NOT &quot;right.&quot; As noted before, Beck clueless re: the things that are most important. Here's show I did re: his ignorance of American history; comments welcome...<br />
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232: Glenn Beck Does Not Understand “The American View;” Wrong When He Labels Our Founders “Radical Revolutionaries”<br />
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<a href="http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=1497" target="_blank">http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=1497</a><br />
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And, clearly, the case can be made that the murderous tyrant Lincoln, for a variety of reasons, was the &quot;most corrupt&quot; President of all time -- at whose Memorial the clueless Mr. Beck will hold his honor/patriotism<br />
/anti-Big Govt rally at the end of August 2010.</div>

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232: Glenn Beck Does Not Understand “The American View;” Wrong When He Labels Our Founders “Radical...]]></description>
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232: Glenn Beck Does Not Understand “The American View;” Wrong When He Labels Our Founders “Radical Revolutionaries” <br />
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			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:02:46 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[With big Glenn Beck rally at end of this month at Lincoln (!) Memorial, hope you'll listen to this radio show I did re: Beck; perhaps forward it to others; give me your comments; thanks. 
 
232: Glenn Beck Does Not Understand “The American View;” Wrong When He Labels Our Founders “Radical...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>With big Glenn Beck rally at end of this month at Lincoln (!) Memorial, hope you'll listen to this radio show I did re: Beck; perhaps forward it to others; give me your comments; thanks.<br />
<br />
232: Glenn Beck Does Not Understand “The American View;” Wrong When He Labels Our Founders “Radical Revolutionaries” <br />
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			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:02:44 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[With big Glenn Beck rally at end of this month at Lincoln (!) Memorial, hope you'll listen to this radio show I did re: Beck; perhaps forward it to others; give me your comments; thanks. 
 
232: Glenn Beck Does Not Understand “The American View;” Wrong When He Labels Our Founders “Radical...]]></description>
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232: Glenn Beck Does Not Understand “The American View;” Wrong When He Labels Our Founders “Radical Revolutionaries” <br />
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			<description><![CDATA[OK, Here's my most recent appearance on that Baltimore TV show I do once in a while; kinda dull at start; heats up when topic is homosexual "marriage;" comments welcome; the show ("Square Off") has Facebook page if you want to comment there: 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>OK, Here's my most recent appearance on that Baltimore TV show I do once in a while; kinda dull at start; heats up when topic is homosexual &quot;marriage;&quot; comments welcome; the show (&quot;Square Off&quot;) has Facebook page if you want to comment there:<br />
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			<description>For those who are interested: 
 
http://rileydad.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/liberty-counsel-helps-personhood-in-ms/</description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:10:56 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[--- Fox News Sunday's Chris Wallace asks sodomite advocate Ted Olson ("conservative," Reagan appointee) where in CONSTITUTION is homosexual marriage?; Olson not at all responsive; I lose it in a brief rant; but chill out at end; comments welcome.. 
...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>--- Fox News Sunday's Chris Wallace asks sodomite advocate Ted Olson (&quot;conservative,&quot; Reagan appointee) where in CONSTITUTION is homosexual marriage?; Olson not at all responsive; I lose it in a brief rant; but chill out at end; comments welcome..<br />
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<a href="http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/homos%207.mp3" target="_blank">http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/homos%207.mp3</a><br />
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--- Treasury Sec. nixes tax cuts for the &quot;rich&quot; because to keep them would mean having to borrow more than $700 billion to finance these cuts and ---- hey! why not just keep tax cuts and CUT SPENDING by $700 billion+? You kidding? CUT spending? NEVER done in Washington DC....Listen/comment...<br />
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<a href="http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/taxes%202.mp3" target="_blank">http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/taxes%202.mp3</a><br />
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--- Golden Oldie: Pelosi promises.....she predicts....no, it's simply too ridiculous...you'll just have to click and listen...and comment, pls...I mean how could this be since most in Congress vote for unGodly, unConstitutional &quot;laws&quot;...seriously...<br />
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<a href="http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/pelosi%2014.mp3" target="_blank">http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/pelosi%2014.mp3</a><br />
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--- Bill O'Reilly RIGHT; he does NOT get it! Says here to libertarian John Stossel that Feds must extend unemployment insurance as part of the right to pursue happiness!! Says he's against deficits so pay for unemp. insurance from unspent stimulus money --- which increased debt by hundreds of billions! THE MAN IS AN IDIOT...Comments welcome..<br />
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<a href="http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/aview/oreilly%20151.mp3" target="_blank">http://radio.iotconline.com/radio/av...illy%20151.mp3</a></div>

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			<description><![CDATA[Walter Ballard: Where in Scripture does it say it's NOT okay for women to be rulers, magistrates...and in particular..married women other than SPIRITUAL leadership  
in the church? 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Walter Ballard: Where in Scripture does it say it's NOT okay for women to be rulers, magistrates...and in particular..married women other than SPIRITUAL leadership <br />
in the church?<br />
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COMMENT:I see nowhere in Scripture where God speaks of desired rulers as having to be anything but God-fear MEN. If I’ve missed one, cite it, please.<br />
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WB:Even if Sarah Palin is President, she is still under her husband.  It'd be rather foolish to not support her for president.  <br />
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COMMENT: An absurd statement. The so-called “First Dude” husband was totally emasculated by Palin campaign, reduced to a purse-holder during the campaign. His wife is obviously the “head” of their family. <br />
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WB: Also see Judge Deborah for reference. ;) Queen Elizabeth is another good reference.  Queen Sheba who visited King Solomon is yet another.<br />
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COMMENT: What is the evidence Deborah was a judge, a magistrate?. Even if she was, this does not mean GOD APPROVED THIS. Time in book of Judges a time of chaos, everyone doing what was right IN THEIR OWN EYES; was NOT time of obeying God.<br />
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  WB: Women can not be leaders as far as SPIRITUAL leadership in the church is concerned, but as far as being the president over the United States, this is of <br />
no concern to me as a Christian because she's not being the spiritual leader since Sarah Palin is still married.<br />
<br />
COMMENT: If God approves/recommends ONLY God-fearing men as rulers -- and He does -- this SHOULD concern you, as should ALL of what God says.<br />
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WB: According to Proverbs 31, the woman is actually capable of doing far more than just raising children.  She even conducts businesses that would require leadership on her part.  She does such a good job that her husband is praised at the gates....<br />
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COMMENT: Did not say women can ONLY raise children. But she is to be KEEPER OF THE home; husband’s helper; can conduct business WITHIN THE HOME.<br />
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WB: This is not Islam Mr. Lofton...this is Christianity and Christian women are capable of being leaders...just not leaders within the church or spiritual leadership.  <br />
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COMMENT: Women can lead OTHER WOMEN; CHILDREN only.<br />
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&quot;Other than the church and the home, the Bible does not explicitly prohibit women from being leaders within government or even businesses.&quot;<br />
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WB:&quot;If you had a choice between and ungodly man, and a godly woman for leadership in government, as a Christian you'd be shooting yourself in the foot to vote for the ungodly man Mr. Lofton...it's that simple.<br />
<br />
COMMENT: One ALWAYS shoots one’s self in foot when God’s Word ignored, rulers voted for who are not God-fearing men, as now, with result being, as now, GODLESS GOVERNMENT.<br />
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WB: There's no way you can justify supporting the ungodly by saying &quot;Oh well she's a woman and she can't be the President because she's a woman&quot;...it's rather sillly <br />
and foolish. <br />
<br />
COMMENT: No, it’s actually God’s Word that gives us qualifications for those who are to hold God-ordained civil government -- only God-fearing men.<br />
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WBB: Whoever is president of the United States, I will submit under the governing authority whether it be Obama, or even a woman, such as Sarah Palin :)But enough talk.   If Palin runs in 2012, she has my vote...&quot;<br />
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COMMENT: Such obedience is not to be total, whatever govt says, as you seem to believe since you qualified your statement in no way.<br />
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WB: Uh actually no the Bible is clear in regards to homes and churches, not civil government.  You may as well condemn other female leaders of the time Mr. <br />
Lofton....there were several good Christian leaders who were women.<br />
<br />
COMMENT: Bible very clear re: role of civil govt and who God says is qualified to rule. And have NOT said women can’t “lead.” Stop imputing to me things I have not said. This false witness...<br />
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WB: The Bible is only concerned with spiritual leadership over men in the homes and churches...not in worldly governments.  You're adding Scripture on this one.....&quot;<br />
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COMMENT: Nope; problem is you are IGNORING Scripture plus (secondarily) what Christians have believed and practiced for centuries.<br />
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WB: Israel’s Golda Meir  successfully ruled Israel from 1969 to 1974. Since we know that God ordains all leadership—“For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God” (Romans 13:1)—we can assume that <br />
He placed Mrs. Meir in the leadership of Israel and sovereignly ordained her term of office.&quot;<br />
<br />
COMMENT: Completely wrong. And you do this repeatedly. Just because someone rules DOES NOT MEAN GOD APPROVES OF THAT RULER IN ANY WAY. What exists in not, necessarily, approved by God. Your fallacious hermeneutic is dangerously inept.<br />
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WB: The Bible doesn't explicitly prohibit women from being in positions of leadership in government.  The United  States of America is not a heavenly kingdom, it is a worldly government Mr. Lofton.<br />
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COMMENT: God’s Word governs and applies to ALL NATIONS FOR ALL TIME, including politics and government.<br />
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WB: The Old Testament precepts in the article neglect to cover Judge Deborah for the obvious reason that the article is obviously intending to insert Scripture on a matter that is not covered by Scripture and that is female leadership in businesses and government.<br />
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COMMENT: Deborah issue already addressed above.<br />
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WT: My conscience will not have me choose an ungodly man, over a godly woman.   Sarah Palin is married and since she is still under her husband, Palin being the president of the United States will not in any way release her from this structure of authority, nor will the Lord condemn her for it.<br />
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COMMENT: Your “conscience” is NOT God.You are to obey God, believe what God says. Already addressed Palin/husband bit.<br />
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WB: Also this article was on the same site as yours that supports women leading in government, particularly when the men are too chicken to stand up for anything...like John McCain.<br />
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COMMENT: Nothing on our site approves female rule in government.Point made that women usurp God-commanded role of men when men refuse to do their Godly duty.</div>

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			<description>John Lofton Lied To Until The End. Mission accomplished!, says Obama! Combat troops will all be out of Iraq, on schedule, as promised, on August 31 (except, ahem, er, the 50,000 non-combat troops who will be left...and, um...er, uh...will be support troops and, on occasion, help Iraq troops....as...</description>
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&#8232;John Lofton Not our job to prevent &quot;bloodbath&quot; in Afghanistan. We are NOT policeman of the world. In fact, we are &quot;terrorists&quot; ourselves -- murdering innocent civilians, torturing people. We are not morally qualified to judge ANYBODY!12 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle And Don't forget about the money the Industrial Military complex pays to get wars started. Eisenhower warned us about that complex, but we did not listen, and now we are paying the piper. 12 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton Robert does not care what is Godly or Constitutional.12 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton Yeah, kinda makes you wonder why you are FOR these unGodly, unConstitutional wars...12 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle I have been against those wars based on lies since Bush started them. <br />
How do you exit a war like that? Do you leave and let the country you ruined disintegrate? How do you do it? Explain it to me John. 12 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle Don't put words in my mouth John. You might find yourself on another list. Say what you want, argues any point, but do not call me names and do not speak for me.<br />
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Of course I care. I asked you a very important question, now show us your wis...See more&#8232;11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton If you're against the wars, why do you ask: &quot;And what do you suggest? Just leave and watch the blood bath?&quot; Sounds like support to me, an implication we should stay. I think you're fibbing...11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton Against the wars from Day One, I have no obligation at all to say HOW we should leave...NONE.11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle Are you really so ignorant that you don't know that after you invade a country and destroy its power structures that the natives will rush in and try to grab power for them selves as soon as the invaders are gone. What do you write about? How to make soup? 11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle Yes you do. If you are trying to make the case that we should just leave. I have the right to ask, how do we do that? And since it is your issue, you have an obligation not to duck that responsibility, And if you can't think of a plan, and you can't find anyone else with a plan then you need to stop complaining against the president till you do have one. 11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton NOT my wars. I didn't support invading ANYBODY. And I write about people like you who could not care less if government is unGodly or unConstitutional. And we're in the soup, Big Time, because of your unGodly, unConstitutional political philosophy...11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton I have NO RESPONSIBILITY re: our unGodly, unConstitutional wars --- NONE, and you can't impose any on me. THAT is a question for those who got us into these unGodly, unConstitutional wars...11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle Who says I don't care if my government is ungodly or unconstitutional? Of course I care, but your interpretation of the constitution is incorrect and you obviously don't have any plan to get the troops out so you just toss your responsibility to the next person, and let them worry about it and all you do is complain. That is the problem with the entire Republican leadership. The have not one Idea for the American People and I see you must have spent too long in that party, because neither do you. 11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle And I warned you about name calling. next time you will be posting to the air, and I am not kidding you John.11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton My interpretation of the general welfare clause is WHAT JAMES MADISON said! Do you know who James Madison is? And I can't toss my responsibility for our wars to ANYBODY because I am in NO WAY &quot;responsible&quot; for the wars. 11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton Here's what Madison said about the general welfare clause. Was he wrong? Please reply to my question about Madison:<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle I know who Madison is and I also noticed that he is not God, and so his idea about the welfare clause is just that, an interpretation and it does say the government is to provide for the general welfare. Let me ask you, who's general welfare if not the citizens? 11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle The unemployment help for the needy people is limited, so what is you complaint? Should we let them starve and go homeless? Is that your idea of the Christian thing to do? The states are out of money because of 8 years of reckless republican spending, and some blue dog Democrats, so what do you suggest John. Should we abandon them, or should we help if we can? 11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton Madison is THE FATHER OF THE CONSTITUTION. And his &quot;interpretation&quot; (he wrote a lot of the document!) is totally at odds with your view that the welfare clause is a blank check that allows Congress to spend money on anything. I'm going with Madison, not you. Article I, Sec. 8 defines &quot;General welfare&quot;...11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle Why don't you take the constitution and read it to an 8 year old who is going to bed hungry again, and who is exhausted from packing to go to the homeless shelter. I am sure that will cheer them mightily. 11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton Unemployment insurance payments NOT Constitutional! Not in Article I, Sec. 8 which limits spending.How many times do I have to tell you how our Constitutition works? And States are bankrupt because they have YOUR philosophy that govt is just a piggy bank to pay for anything anybody wants to fund. Caring for the poor NOT the job of Caesar...and I'm waiting for ONE source to support what you said about Romans....waiting...11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle Then why is the Unemployment assistance that just passed not going to court? Seems it is not just me that disagrees? 11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton Like I said, you do NOT care if government is Constitutional, if Congress disobeys the law -- YOU DO NOT CARE and proved it again...11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton You don't know it is NOT going to court; just passed. Question is: why don;t you care if Congress violates the Constitution? Why don't you care?11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton The early church did not ask Caesar to feed the poor. The early church fed the poor. Feeding the poor is NOT one of the things to be rendered to Caesar. Read your Bible....11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle John, I care that people go to bed hungry, because I am a real Christian. If there is something in the constitution you don't like, go and fix the constitution but have some compassion for people who can't help themselves, who's jobs have b...See more&#8232;11 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton If you are a real Christian then YOU feed the hungry; don't make other people do this through the government. You in no way believe what the early church believed and did. 10 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton PS -- The government HAS NO MONEY; more than $60 TRILLION IN DEBT. And your proposals just add to this debt and the burden that will be on our children, their children, their children. REAL compassion for children --- NOT!10 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle What a wonderful attitude John. I can see you are a great Christian. Here you are railing against helping the hopeless and their families, screening about how that will drive up the debt, but you know what? I don't remember you saying on...See more&#8232;7 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle How do you know what I believe? And I do help. In fact i have housed homeless people right in my house, and they lived with my family. How many people have you taken in, and how many do you feed each evening, and how many have you clothed...See more&#8232;7 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Aaron Priest Asking government to do the church's work is to put a gun to everyone's head and force them to do what they should by charity. The government's Biblical (and Constitutional on the federal level) purpose is not to provide for anything but th...See more&#8232;4 hours ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton Letting more of us keep he money we earn, Robert, does NOT increase the debt. SPENDING WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT INCREASES DEBT!!37 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton And stop lying! I have not &quot;railed against helping the hopeless and their families.&quot; I'm railing against THE GOVERNMENT doing this. Stop distorting what I say. This is bearing false withness...35 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton And I am NOT a Republican! More false witness...35 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton And it IS a wonderful, Godly attitude to be concerned about the debt burden being laid on our children, their children, their children. You bet it is!32 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle John, please don't repeat those trashy Republican talking points here. Here we believe in truth. Did you know that Obama gave American's a tax cut, yes he did. And did you know that G. Bush has the worst job creation record of any presiden...See more&#8232;22 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton What causes debt is a matter of MATHEMATICS, not GOP talking points. Don't care abt Obama/Bush; not trapped as you are in the &quot;politics&quot; game; care abt what GOD says about civil government. THAT is what matters...sorry you don't care; tht you have no Biblical view of government...&quot;Early church&quot; believer, huh? No, you are not...18 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle Well John, I don't see the churches rallying to the homeless and the hungry in any meaningful way and so you look like you should be smart enough to understand the only other agencies that are large enough to help are corporations who would...See more&#8232;15 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton Of course not! Most churches have YOUR philosophy, that it is job of GOVERNMENT yo do what God says CHRISTIANS should do! And I am NOT of any &quot;party.&quot; Stop bearing false witness.13 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle And you and your wonderful Godly attitude, still have not answered my question about how you can support a trillion dollar continuing tax cut for the rich and at the same time complain about the deficit. Maybe you need to return to your base who sometimes have trouble thinking, but you won't find that here John, here we thing, and we call you out in your hypocrisy. 12 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton And as Forest Gump said: &quot;Stupid is as stupid does.&quot; And it's stupid AND SINFUL to put on Caesar what CHRISTIANS should do...11 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton Burden is on GOVT to make argument why they are entitled to money I earn; burden not on ME. Once again, you have things BACKWARDS.10 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton And notice how you do not respond DIRECTLY to anything I say...9 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle I don't disagree, but I asked you how many families have you taken into your home and given shelter to, and how much have you helped feed the hungry, and what clothing have you given this year John? <br />
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Tell us or is it like the deficit. You d...See more&#8232;7 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle And if you, and your wife and children, were living under a bridge eating out of cans, and no church came to help you, you might not think it was so stupid when the government came with a housing check, and food stamps. 5 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton What I do personally is none of your business and has NOTHING to do with what God says is the role of civil government! And your Godless philosophy of govt has CREATED the deficit.....5 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle So I take it you did nothing John, Figures. 4 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton And because of your GODLESS view of government ALL of us may someday be living under a bridge!4 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton Lying again. You really need to stop bearing false witness. God hates lying lips....about a minute ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton Need to bridle that tongue, those lips, under which is the venom of asps; read the book of James....now.<br />
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Robert Dinkle John, when you first came on the list, I thought you showed some signs of intelligence, but those indicators and bending fast. The reason we are in this pickle, John is that George Bush started an illegal Trillion dollar war, and at the s...See more&#8232;10 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle Now, I am going to end this thread. Thanks for the debate, John.9 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton Where's the source for your previous ridiculous statement re: the beginning of Romans 13? And why do you continue to avoid the subject of what God says is the role of civil government? Pls answer directly...7 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton The cause of our more than $60 TRILLION DEBT (all unfunded promises) goes back DECADES before Bush; caused by YOUR govt-can-do-anything-it-wa&#8232;nts philosophy.6 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton No surprise. You lost badly by ignoring the major issues, never responding...4 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;Robert Dinkle I guess you are not old enough to remember the CLINTON BUDGET SURPLUS? Look, I have to leave this thread, sorry, but I won't be replying to any further posts on this subject. Post what you wish, but please do not expect an answer. Thanks for the good debate John, 2 minutes ago · Like · &#8232;	<br />
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&#8232;John Lofton You've given me no &quot;answers&quot; to any of the most important issues I've raised --- only billingsgate, vilification. That the white flag waves now is no surprise. This is usually the way it ends when I tangle with folks who are Biblically/Constitutionall&#8232;y illiterate...2 seconds ago · Like ·</div>

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