Roy Moore for Governor

[harrison17]

I'm a bit puzzled.

At the 2004 CP national convention, we unanimously chose Michael Peroutka as our candidate for President. We heard an excellent speech by John Lofton, the infamous "recovering Republican." Several of us adopted that nickname.

Now, we are receiving email messages from American View (headed by Peroutka & Lofton) containing links to a message from Judge Moore's wife asking our help in his campaign for the GOP nomination for governor of Alabama.

This is very puzzling to me, since it seemed we in the CP have abandoned the GOP because it abandoned us years ago by leaving the principles we believe in. So, how is it we could see past our objections with the GOP in order to support a GOP candidate?

Don't get me wrong. I believe wholeheartedly in Judge Moore's principled position, the stand he took, and his attempt to become governor. Judge Moore should be the next governor of Alabama.

However, given the attention his acknowledgment of God has created and the name recognition he now has, he would be in a much better position to run as a CP andidate than he otherwise would. GOP leadership abandoned, even persecuted him for his stand, then unlawfully took his duly elected office from him. Additionally, he has received numerous accolades from the CP and has been included in speaking opportunities at CP events.

Given that Judge Moore has been running with a delighted CP crowd, and given that he has been all but shunned and vilified by the GOP, and given that his principles are welcome in the CP but not the GOP, would it not make sense that the judge run as a CP candidate? I realize that it's too late for him to change party affiliation for this race. However, I must note that I, along with others who have sold out completely to the CP, cannot and will not support candidates in the sorry GOP. I support candidates who are willing to take the "leap of faith" into the CP and leave the old corrupt GOP to its own dark devices.

In a party struggling to gain voter recognition and win some offices, every dollar that I contribute to a GOP candidate, though he be the best there is and aligns with our positions, is a dollar that a CP candidate loses. And we desparately need to elect someone to office. There are lots of people in the GOP who believe in our principles and want to come over to our side, but they will not because we cannot prove that we can elect someone to office. I've actually had them tell me this.

In my view, supporting a GOP candidate is a mistake. No offense intended toward Judge Moore. I love him. Heard him speak in person in Columbia, SC back in 2003. Wish I could support him. But I can't as long as he is in the GOP.

I'm curious how our national CP leadership can justify promoting a GOP candidate.

Michael Harrison
CP of PA webmaster

[Jeffrey Butler]

Mr. Harrison,

This is not an official reply from TAV; this is just my own opinion.

I'm curious how our national CP leadership can justify promoting a GOP candidate.

Firstly, we are not the national CP leadership - that email was from TAV - not the CP. We are not them; we do not speak for them. If they are supporting him, then they will say so on their letterhead. (Right?)

It would seem to me that we're interested in supporting candidates who are Christian; solidly so; with the party association as "mildly relevant." I understand your concern (I think) with the GOP - it's of serious concern to any constitutionally, biblically, conservatively minded man. That being said, I personally support Judge Moore - regardless of the party he's in - and I'm not, personally convinced, that him jumping over the CP makes him a better candidate. His convictions appear to be correct to me, and if he feels that being a GOP man is right at this point, then I know it's after prayerful consideration - though I would like to see him run as almost anything other than GOP.

And we desparately need to elect someone to office.

Party allegiance is partly to blame for the mess we're in - and that, largely to the GOP. But surely, with what the Judge has been, and will be - a Statesman not afraid to defend the Crown Rights of Christ, nor afraid of the Federal Police - we can all actively support this GOP candidate.

I think I recognize the need to have a CP someone, somewhere - but I'm willing to lay party allegiance aside because of the candidate running. Perhaps this is partly because of my youth to "the party", or possibly the reasons I even vote CP. But I lament not having a man like Moore to vote for. Virginia just had an empty election. There were no real candidates, CP, GOP or AOP (Any Old Party) (that I was aware of).

This is just one webmaster to another - I know you appreciate Judge Moore, as do I; however you not supporting him just b/c he's GOP "doesn't make sense to me." Perhaps you're correct about party - but for now, I'm going to leave that battle on the side - not having him as Governor would be far worse than having him as a Republican Governor...some battles are worth losing for a higher principle, but I do not think this is the one. But I'm just a webmaster; I wasn't brought on board for my intellect ;-) (you may have been!)...

But as for not supporting him - would you withdraw your prayers for him? I hope not! Pray that Judge Moore will faithfully, quickly, fully and rightly respond to God's will - just as it is done in heaven. That is supporting him. That you must do, I would say.

Jeff Butler
Webmaster, TAV

There is a thread where this is essentially being discussed: http://www.theamericanview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=383

[harrison17]

Jeff:

Thanks for your comments.

I do realize that TAV is not an official voice of the CP. I do also know, however, that the principal people involved are high profile CP members, who I definitely respect and admire. It just seemed odd to me that a GOP candidate would be promoted by them, whether through the CP or somewhere else.

I fully understand your desire to support Judge Moore for office. I like the idea of Judge Moore being governor of Alabama. I will certainly pray to that end. However, if blessed with the finances to support candidates this cycle, I will be financially supporting only those who are in the CP.

Your statement that it would be better to have a GOP Governor Moore than no Moore at all sounds good on the surface, but it is very much akin to the "lesser of two evils" thinking that we left in the GOP. In another thread, someone also noted that supporting GOP candidates such as Moore seems to further perpetuate the myth that the GOP can be reformed. And if that be the case, why bother having a CP.

Bottom line for me is this: someone who has left the GOP and joined the CP has in effect unashamedly identified with our principles and jettisoned the politics of pragmatism.

Michael

[Jeffrey Butler]

Michael,

I recognize the similar sound of the "better him than not" argument to that of the lesser of two evils...although in that argument I'm generally considering character, not party affiliation. From the CPs perspective, I guess it is a "lesser of" argument. I think I get that.

I think you're right about someone who joins up with the CP being readily identified, too. But it's still about fruit, not subscription. Moore has the fruit, not the subscription, so he has my support.

Unless any party gets filled with men like Michael Peroutka and Judge Moore it won't be anything but a hot wind in our face.

So yes, why don't all men (of this caliber) join the CP? I just don't know...I really don't.

I want to work to that end...I do - but to me, putting men of character in office is more important than building a party - and perhaps that's where I need to "grow" a bit. Maybe I'm a bit fickle when it comes to character, in that it seems the most important thing in a candidate. Is it the only? No, but if there's only one thing to consider, it must be character.

I think I understand what you are saying, and following that reasoning, it appears that it comes down to this - if a CP man of lesser character (and I mean lesser) ran against Moore, you'd back the CP man and vote for him - just b/c he was CP, and not for the candidate of better character. Isn't that still "lesser?" Maybe not.

But that sounds like what has happened with the GOP, and how people vote "Republican" instead of "Constitutionally" or better, "Christian." I want to vote as a Christian - not as a party member. I want those in power to fear my influence, as a Christian. Am I naive, at this "early" stage of the CP in already saying it's not about a party, but a principle? I could be...

Thank you for your comments; they are more than valid.

jeff