"Christian Coalition" Collapsing; Ignored Peroutka-Baldwin In 2004; Not Really Christian But Cheerleaders For National Republican Party

[TheGeneral]

Veteran political reporter Lee Bandy, writing in the Charleston, South Carolina "The State" newspaper, says this about the Christian Coalition: "Rocked by financial debt, lawsuits and the loss of experienced political leaders, the Christian Coalition has become a pale imitation of its once-powerful self. Some say the group — now based in Charleston and headed by a South Carolinian -- is on life support, having been eclipsed by higher-profile, better-funded groups such as Focus on the Family....The 16-year-old organization once was a political juggernaut."


Link to full article:
http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=451

[The Kangaroo]

The Christian Coalition is akin to the "Holy Roman Empire" of Medevial Europe which was said to be not holy, not Roman, and not an Empire. TCC is similarly not Christian and not a coalition. It is, like the Rush Limbaugh show and other big talk radio things, just a satrapy for the Republican Party.

[exmarine]

The Christian Coalition is akin to the "Holy Roman Empire" of Medevial Europe which was said to be not holy, not Roman, and not an Empire. TCC is similarly not Christian and not a coalition. It is, like the Rush Limbaugh show and other big talk radio things, just a satrapy for the Republican Party.

You finally said something I can agree with.

[The Kangaroo]

You finally said something I can agree with.

See, that wasn't so hard. Even a broke clock is right twice a day.

[Areopagus]

Veteran political reporter Lee Bandy, writing in the Charleston, South Carolina "The State" newspaper, says this about the Christian Coalition: "Rocked by financial debt, lawsuits and the loss of experienced political leaders, the Christian Coalition has become a pale imitation of its once-powerful self. Some say the group — now based in Charleston and headed by a South Carolinian -- is on life support, having been eclipsed by higher-profile, better-funded groups such as Focus on the Family....The 16-year-old organization once was a political juggernaut."

Link to full article:
http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=451


General Discussion section has this thread “The CP is not the only group fissuring” {1} Christian Coalition of Alabama Undergoes Name Change

The Christian Coalition of America has demonstrated by their actions in word and in deed a desire to drift from our founding tenets. The Christian Coalition of America has left us, we have not left them,” Giles concluded.

We will march forward and continue the mission to educate voters in Alabama with 1.7 million voter guides covering 93 Alabama races.

In addition to ignoring Peroutka-Baldwin In 2004, their voter guides were about as useful as the National Right to Life scorecards.

Assume a scale with the rule of man (U.S. Supreme Court edicts) represented @ 0% and the rule of law (U.S. Constitution) represented @ 100%. Voter guides and scorecards typically cover the range from 0% to 50% and omit the remainder of the scale from 51% to 100%. Most Republicans are usually shown in the 25% to 50% range with most Democrats at the bottom of the scale. Voters who rely heavily on these guides and little else, assume 50% means 100%. Someone who would push for pro-life license plates and little else would appear 100% pro-life. The guides and scorecards lack the questions listed in “How Should We Then Vote?” {2} For example; “If elected to office, what is your first priority?” An answer along the lines of “To do everything in my constitutional power to stop the murder of innocent children by abortion and to resist unauthorized and unconstitutional spending on unconstitutional programs,” would expand the voter guide to cover the region closer to the 100% rule of law end of the scale. Specifics, such as interposition, impeachment/removal of Presidents and federal judges, Article 3 jurisdiction stripping and support of effectively worded legislation could extend the voter guides all the way to the 100% mark, in which case nearly all Republicans would not appear to be for the rule of law, or pro-life.

This modification to their voter guides was suggested to Christian Coalition of Alabama in the Fall of 2004 along with comments of protest about the Peroutka-Baldwin omission. The disassociation from Christian Coalition of America is a small step in the right direction; but much more remains to be done to adequately inform Alabama voters. And who knows, they might consider it {3} in another decade or two.

1. http://www.theamericanview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1022
2. http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=685
3. http://pro-lifevoterguide.blogspot.com/

[MAC]

In addition to ignoring Peroutka-Baldwin In 2004, their voter guides were about as useful as the National Right to Life scorecards.


Our association with Christian Coalition of Alabama goes back as far as '96, maybe even '92 --we were Co. Chairman [of sorts] and mainly for passing out voter guides. But when the Christian Coalition of America stabbed Pat Buchanan in the back with the voter guides in the '96 primary election by not being honest about Bob Dole's voting record then would not allow Howard Phillips on it in the general election that fall, that ended our active participation. Our eyes were opened to their being an arm of the Republican Party and at some point we saw that it went even deeper, for they follow the the GOP lead.

A snippet from my letter sent to John Giles that pertains to this thread:

John,

I hope and pray that your decision will bring about a refreshing of an organisation that will honor and glorify God, educate and inform the people and truly be non-partisan.

I do hope this will be the outcome of their decision. Only time will tell.

[Areopagus]

Our association with Christian Coalition of Alabama goes back as far as '96, maybe even '92 --we were Co. Chairman [of sorts] and mainly for passing out voter guides. But when the Christian Coalition of America stabbed Pat Buchanan in the back with the voter guides in the '96 primary election by not being honest about Bob Dole's voting record then would not allow Howard Phillips on it in the general election that fall, that ended our active participation. Our eyes were opened to their being an arm of the Republican Party and at some point we saw that it went even deeper, for they follow the the GOP lead.
A snippet from my letter sent to John Giles that pertains to this thread:

John,

I hope and pray that your decision will bring about a refreshing of an organisation that will honor and glorify God, educate and inform the people and truly be non-partisan.

I do hope this will be the outcome of their decision. Only time will tell.


Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and God’s. – Christian Coalition Perverted Version of the Bible.

If American preachers were doing their jobs, there would be no need for a Christian anything to inform citizens about the difference between good and evil; and that government was ordained to prosecute evil behavior without persecuting those who do good (Rom.13).

Worldnetdaily has an article that gives some additional explanation about the compromised Christian coalition. “Alabama Christian Coalition leaves national group: Voter guides, IRS rules, broadened agenda cited as reasons.” {1}

The national group had resolved a dispute involving the Internal Revenue Service in which it maintained its right to publish and distribute its famous voters guides each election year.

However, part of that resolution was that the guides would have to be approved at the national level, she said. Alabama sent out the information without that approval, she said.

"When you make an agreement with the IRS, you need to stick by it," she said. The national organization told the Alabama group to follow the rules or it couldn't remain a part, she said.

She said the national Coalition soon would have a new leader in Alabama and continue

When you make a pact with the devil you just might have to break your covenant with God. What does an agreement with the IRS get them? “Rev. D. James Kennedy* has stated:”

“The federal government has proved a tremendous impediment to the ongoing work of Christians. In all the laws that they have passed against Christian schools, gagging the church, taxation, and all kinds of things that they have done, they have made it harder for the church to exercise its prerogatives and to preach the gospel.

"Take the last presidential election. There were numbers of things that I knew that I was never able to say from the pulpit because if you advance the cause of one candidate or impede the cause of the other you can lose your tax exemption. That would have been disastrous not only for the church, but for our school and our seminary, everything. So you are gagged. You cannot do that. The IRS, a branch of our government, has succeeded in gagging Christians."{2}

If abortion really isn’t murder{3} and sodomy really is an alternate lifestyle that no government should prosecute in accordance with Rom. 13, then preachers should say so. If preachers don’t know the difference between good and evil (Isaiah 5:20) and don’t understand Rom. 13, then they should admit it. If they know that abortion and sodomy are evil behaviors that government should prosecute, but think that the love of money is the root of all good {4} (1 Timothy 6:10), then they should take the money and keep their religion in their prayer closet, blow out their candle and throw their worthless salt into the street (Matthew 5:13-16). John the Baptist lost his head for confronting the evil behavior in a ruler; but preachers today would rather see the most innocent lose their heads{5} than confront their audience with the evil in their rulers.

The method of killing a human child–one cannot even accurately say an entirely unborn human child–proscribed by this statute is so horrible that the most clinical description of it evokes a shudder of revulsion

Today’s decision, that the Constitution of the United States prevents the prohibition of a horrible mode of abortion, will be greeted by a firestorm of criticism–as well it should. {6}

We ought to obey God rather than men (Acts 5;29). You cannot serve God and mammon (Mt. 6:24).

What are the results when a church incorporates and surrenders itself to the jurisdiction of the state? Consider the following: (1) The Church is no longer considered a real institution, but it goes through a transformation and becomes a fictitious (state created) person or institution. (2) The church comes under the jurisdiction of the state and therefore surrenders its headship to the state. (3) The church's chief officers become official representatives of the state by virtue of their corporate charter. (4) The Church must open its books and all practices to the investigation of the state. This would include: (a) church membership roles; (b) Christian school records; (c) state regulations on all functions of the church and any of its ministries; (d) church financial records, including all tithing records (names, addresses and amounts); (e) ministers and churches in courts of law are considered wards of the state by virtue of their charter, including all church members (adults and children). There are many other ramifications which could be stated, but we have made our point. The sole benefit often cited by others is that incorporation allows the church to operate with "limited liability." However, this raises an important biblical question as to whether we may be allowed to act outside of our proper person, thus relieving ourselves of direct responsibilities concerning our actions... {7}


1. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51655

2. http://hushmoney.org/
3. http://www.humanlifereview.com/2005_spring/blackburn.pdf Genesis is saying that God will call to account those who murder, and then gives the grounds for His special concern for human life: Mankind is made as the image of God (cf. Genesis 1:26).30 In other words, human life is sacred because it is made as the image of the One whose name is Sacred.31 This simple fact makes human life special. In other words, the sacredness,or sanctity, of life, is not simply a poignant political phrase or a “sacred cow,” but actually a deeply Biblical expression that gets to the essence of why human life is so important to God. Human life does have intrinsic value, precisely because it is the image of the One who is ultimately valuable.

4. http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/04/16/robertson.abortion/ Robertson: U.S. shouldn't interfere with China's forced abortion policy. http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=507 There is a reason Robertson is so mealymouthed: He has invested millions of dollars in Chinese cable and internet operations. His partner in one broadcasting deal is the communist government itself. To protect his financial interests, He depends the regime's goodwill, and to win it, he is apparently willing to say anything.
5. http://www.centerforajustsociety.org/uploads/PartialBirthAbortionOnTrial.pdf Partial-Birth Abortion on Trial. When the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act was signed into law, Planned Parenthood, the National Abortion Federation, and a number of abortion doctors aided by the American Civil Liberties Union challenged its constitutionality in federal lawsuits filed in New York, Nebraska, and California. When referring to partial-birth abortion, plaintiffs’ witnesses use the terms Dilation and Extraction (D&X), Intact Dilation and Extraction (Intact D&X), or Intact Dilation and Evacuation (Intact D&E). Each of these terms refers generally to the delivery of a substantial portion of the unborn child before the child is killed. This is in contrast to the dismemberment method known as Dilation and Evacuation (D&E) where the child is dismembered inside the womb and taken out piece by piece. Another claim by the plaintiffs was that the issue of fetal pain is irrelevant. In order to diminish the powerful expert testimony that partial-birth abortion causes “prolonged and excruciating pain” to the unborn child, plaintiffs used their cross-examination to make the point that other methods of abortion at this stage would be quite painful too, and perhaps even more so. http://judgealito.com/cgi/doc_news/display.cfm?doc=66 Jeffrey N. Wasserstein, former clerk for Judge Samuel Alito, stated that; “The best indicator of how a justice may act on the Supreme Court is the judicial record that the justice had before elevation to that court.” That same record is why “State abortion foes withhold support of Alito nomination.” http://njrtl.org/content/newsletter_details.asp?ArticleID=1022
6. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-830.ZD1.html
7. http://hushmoney.org/TransformChurch.htm

[MAC]

Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and God’s. – Christian Coalition Perverted Version of the Bible.

If American preachers were doing their jobs, there would be no need for a Christian anything to inform citizens about the difference between good and evil; and that government was ordained to prosecute evil behavior without persecuting those who do good (Rom.13).

Aeopagus,

You are right... if preachers were doing their jobs. But it seems there are more sheep than preachers that know the truth and what is going on around us and are out trying to wake the "sheeple" to the warnings.
:(

[Areopagus]

Aeopagus,

You are right... if preachers were doing their jobs. But it seems there are more sheep than preachers that know the truth and what is going on around us and are out trying to wake the "sheeple" to the warnings.
:(

You are right! And your comment reminds me of the approach used by someone whose work you are very familiar with. {1}
The priests, professors, pundits, politicians, poets, and performers of that day suppressed the truth just like the same chattering class does today. He bypassed their sophistry and suppression by taking God’s Word straight to the people.

Not long after, Master Tyndale happened to be in the company of a certain divine, recounted for a learned man, and, in communing and disputing with him, he drove him to that issue, that the said great doctor burst out into these blasphemous words, "We were better to be without God's laws than the pope's." Master Tyndale, hearing this, full of godly zeal, and not bearing that blasphemous saying, replied, "I defy the pope, and all his laws;" and added, "If God spared him life, ere many years he would cause a boy that driveth the plough to know more of the Scripture than he did."

Master Tyndale considered this only, or most chiefly, to be the cause of all mischief in the Church, that the Scriptures of God were hidden from the people's eyes; for so long the abominable doings and idolatries maintained by the pharisaical clergy could not be espied; and therefore all their labor was with might and main to keep it down, so that either it should not be read at all, or if it were, they would darken the right sense with the mist of their sophistry, and so entangle those who reguked or despised their abominations; wresting the Scripture unto their own purpose, contrary unto the meaning of the text, they would so delude the unlearned lay people, that though thou felt in thy heart, and wert sure that all were false that they said, yet couldst thou not solve their subtle riddles. {2}

The Religious would rather be without God’s laws than the sacred writ of the Supreme Court. The chattering class, riddled with its own riddles, is as indifferent or hostile to what the Bible, and Constitution says about government as the “pharisaical clergy” was in Tyndale’s time

The chattering class has so much invested in their deception that only a direct act of God would cause them to repent. God may have hardened more than just a few of them like He did Pharaoh. It seems that the more light that they are given the more determined they are to remain in the dark and to blind as many as they can.

In the summer of 2000 Justice Scalia said, “The method of killing a human child–one cannot even accurately say an entirely unborn human child–proscribed by this statute is so horrible that the most clinical description of it evokes a shudder of revulsion…. Today’s decision, that the Constitution of the United States prevents the prohibition of a horrible mode of abortion, will be greeted by a firestorm of criticism–as well it should.” {3} If there had been a firestorm, the nation never would have elected Bush or Gore.

The lack of a firestorm was predictable. A few years before Bush was elected President, Bill Bennett wrote a book “The Death of Outrage: Bill Clinton and the Assault on American Ideals," which could have predicted that someone like Bush would win in 2000. Any nation that would elect Bill Clinton twice could be expected to elect someone just as bad or worse.

Some sheep haven’t been vaccinated against the truth (1 Timothy 6:10) like most preachers and pundits who have a financial interest that could be jeopardized by being susceptible to it and spreading it around.

Is there any hope for those preachers who have vested more in the truth than in money and ego? There is a Pastors' Seminars Hosted by the Foundation for Moral Law. {4}

The Foundation for Moral Law has launched a pastors' seminar entitled, Restoring the Foundation: Church, State, and the Law. This periodic seminar will equip pastors with the knowledge to better understand the pulpit's unique role in defending America's God-given liberties and instill them with the courage to speak out on the moral issues of the day.

They cover The First Amendment, Separation of church and state, rule of law, the pulpit in American history, and IRS restrictions on pastors and churches. Past guest speakers have included Roy Moore, John Eidsmoe, and Tom Parker.

1. http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=2531 The last obstacle, the one that Tyndale would not overcome, was the habit of the governments of the time to burn, behead, and generally maltreat any man who dared translate the Word of God into a language that the commoners could understand. We now turn our attention to Tyndale’s marvelous Bible translation. It is a historical irony to note that those same clergy who heartily approved of Tyndale’s execution and labeled his translation as “heretical” gave their stamp of approval to essentially the same work just 30 years later. Dr. Dan Wallace, professor of New Testament Studies at Dallas Theological Seminary, tells us that over 90% of the AV is Tyndale.
2. http://www.williamtyndale.com/0foxewilliamtyndale.htm

3. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-830.ZD1.html
4. http://www.morallaw.org/conference.htm