Hello all...

[Triton]

New here. Learned of the Constitution Party from my 15 year old son. After 18 years as a Republican, I am an Indie who votes for Constitution Party candidates.

[Relient J]

I'd like to say hello to everyone as well. I think the first time I ever really found out anything about the Constitution Party was on Election Day last year. I was having a nervous day that day. I wasn't really a Bush supporter, but I was afraid to see Kerry get elected. My wife IMed me a link that I think took me to the Constitution Party Web site. As I began reading through their platform I realized that they probably matched my values much more closely than Bush and the Republicans. Sadly, I let fear get the best of me and voted for Bush that day. I have since decided not to ever again allow myself to become so motivated by fear. My vote is too important for that.

[Triton]

Sadly, I let fear get the best of me and voted for Bush that day. I have since decided not to ever again allow myself to become so motivated by fear. My vote is too important for that.

LOL. I did the same thing. I was at Peroutka's "victory celebration" in Severna Park, MD on Election Night, and as I looked around, I wondered, "Am I the only one?" The thing which did it for me was thinking about Kerry and his SCOTUS nominations.

[Hammer]

Hi everyone,

I learned about the Constitution party a little before the 2004 "witherspoon school of law and public policy" (http://www.visionforumministries.org/sections/events/wspoon/) (run by vision forum ministries) and after meeting Peroutka in person I became a firm supporter of the CP.

I find Tritons situation kind of amusing because my Father learned about the constitution party from me and I also was 15 at the time.;)

[BladeOfAnduril]

Hello all!

First of all I'd like to thank Mr. Peroutka and Mr. Lofton and everyone else involved in the creation of this site. I think this is really a wonderful thing.

Anyway, a little about myself. I'm 18 (sadly I missed the 04 election), a very devoted Christian, and just finally got around to registering to vote a week or so ago. I registered as a Constitutionalist. My parents are/were (my father joined the Lord almost 2 years ago) both Republicans. I was a Republican supporter for the last few years (even though I wasn't able to vote) because that's how I was brought up by my parents. An online friend that I've known for a few years mentioned the Constitution Party to me about a year ago. Intrigued, I checked out the website and was very impressed with what I read. I am very thankful that this party exists. The Republicans are not getting the job done, and with the little I know now in my blooming education on our great Constitutional Republic I would be very disheartened if my best option at the polls were the Republicans. I hope that I will be able to learn a lot from this site and forum. I may not post much, as I don't feel I know enough yet to really contribute, but I hope that I will be able to learn from those here more educated than I. May God bless this most noble endeavor.

[Aaron]

Hello everyone!

My name is Aaron and I found out about the Constitiution Party last year and voted for Michael Peroutka. It was my first time voting too :D I am glad they have added a forum to this site so we all can talk :)

[aaronpriest]

My wife and I learned of the Constitution Party middle of summer last year I believe. I gave my wife a CD of Michael Peroutka’s acceptance speech and asked her to listen to it and tell me what she thought. She looked at me inquisitively when I wouldn’t give her any other details, but I wanted to see if her reaction was similar to mine. We were both ecstatic and fired up about our convictions again after hearing that CD. We just couldn’t believe what we were hearing: that there was a political party that truly represented our morals, and someone was running for President that we could unabashedly vote for with no compromises.

We were in for quite a shock and a surprise when we excitedly shared our discovery with all our “Christian, Republican, conservative” friends and family. In the months that followed we were repeatedly yelled at, rebuked, harassed, disassociated with, and otherwise castigated for not voting for George W. Bush. I got into several debates with pastors in the area, our salvation has been questioned several times, and we even left our church eventually over this and several other matters that we could no longer tolerate.

We still voted for Micheal Peroutka & Chuck Baldwin, and we have no regrets. In fact, these experiences have made us even more passionate to share our moral beliefs with others, brought us closer together in our marriage, and generally showed us who our true friends are. Most of the chiding has stopped now that friends and family are seeing the truth after the election, and that we aren’t on some radical crusade. Conservative Americans are waking up. They are searching for the truth. Their churches aren’t delivering it for the most part. The media isn’t either. It’s up to us to share the truth about God’s law, His morals, and how American law was founded on those absolutes, and cannot be separated from them. We are making a difference! Every one of you that has joined this forum and is reading this is proof!

Keep up the good fight, and God bless!
Aaron

[Anthony Powell]

The last time I voted Republican was in 1996, and I shouldn't have in that election. After Newt Gingrich's farce known as the 'Contract With America' fizzled out, I knew then that the G.O.P. just talks a good game. They simply don't deliver on their promises of smaller government, and they take no substantive action to end the shameful killing of the preborn. Our federal bureacracy is now much larger than it has ever been, and most importantly, children are still being slaughtered in the womb.
Thank you MIchael Peroutka, John Lofton, and Scott Whiteman for having the courage to tell the truth about the condition of this country, and, by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, what it will take to get ourselves back to where we need to be.

[ADGettis]

It's very interesting to hear others' CP stories!

I am pleased to be able to say that I have only voted Republican once in my life. In May 2004, I read an article on WorldNetDaily about some guy who was running for president who promised to end abortion upon entering office (you know who that was). After reading the article and visiting Peroutka's website, I knew deep down that there was no way I could vote for GWB.

What little press coverage the campaign got, it was effective.

[salinaspaul]

Hello all!

just got registered with this site, man, it looks good! I also voted for Peroutka this past election (although sadly I didn't here of Howard Phillips in 2000). I found out about the Constitution party about a year or two back from then. What's funny was, on the ballot in my town, they had MAP's and CB's names all misspelled and everything! Would have been funny if it wasn't so sad! Anyway, reading up on the party has gotten me real interested in the founding fathers and the documents we hold dear. I'm also reading about the possible illegality of the 14th, 16th, and 17th amendments. Look forward to discussing these and more with everyone!

- Paul

[BrandonH]

I turned 18 in 1996. I almost voted for Perot since I was not a big fan of either major party, but he was not Pro-Life, so I voted for Dole. At that time, I was not aware of using the internet to find out about other political parties. (Dole, Clinton, and Perot were the only three who got any media coverage.) In 2000 I did my research and discovered an alternative to the Republican Party and voted for Howard Philips. Needless to say in 2004 I voted for Peroutka.

[Tmax]

With what I've read so far about the CP, I would say I agree with most everything it stands for. The only think I've found a tad disturbing is Peroutka seems to be running more of a gossip column than a campaign or a political party. All fingers are pointed at the Republicans and how evil they are. He has even gone as far as to attack the First Lady.
I remember reading an article by William K. Shearer (4/25/04) who calls Republicans or the GOP "Brain dead" . I understand wanting to take votes from the Red party, but that isn't the way to do it.
They say "traditional values" was the deciding factor in this past election, and if thats the case then the CP should take advantage of that fact. Take that issue and run with it. Show those who put President Bush in office that the CP candidates are worth voting for. Don't take verbal shots at those people whose vote you are trying to get!

I am not a Republican, I am a conservative. I first learned of the CP and Michael Peroutka in Sep or Oct '04. I voted for President Bush in '00 & '04, and even though I don't support everything the President does I am not sorry I voted for him. I am open to seriuosly looking at the CP candidate in '08.

[TheSeventhStooge]

Hi everyone!

My name is Lonnie, and I have been following the Constitution Party since around January 2004.

The last time that I voted was in 1988, when I voted for Bush Sr. in the general election, as well as Republicans in general. I am a follower of Jesus and want to do his will (although I fall woefully short, but he has made me a better man today than I was even yesterday!). But frankly, after seeing the performance of Bush Sr from 1989-1993, I got to the point where I was apathetic concerning politics. I almost voted for Perot in 1992 because he portrayed himself as being a political outsider (boy, is that EVER wrong!), but I didn't and simply chose not to cast a vote for the next sixteen years.

I had heard all the arguments about why I should vote, and for the most part I agreed with what people were saying, but I just couldn't bring myself to vote for either major party, and I fell into the belief that voting third party is a waste of time. However, when I started checking out the Constitution Party website (while I was on-line looking for third-party options), I ran across a message from Chuck Baldwin that basically changed my whole attitude towards voting in general, and voting CP in particular. The one thing that he said that has stuck with me to this day is, "A Christian's decision should not be based on the results of his decision, but upon the rightness of his decision." Immediately on reading that, and combined with what I have seen of the CP, I knew these were the right guys to side with.

Thanks to the efforts of Peroutka and the CP, I have gotten a renewed interest in the Constitution and the way that the law should be administered, and I am grateful to them for that. If you are reading this, Mr. Peroutka, THANKS!

I hope to be eventually moving to Arkansas in order to start a preaching circut among four or five churches that we have in the central AR area (right now I live in South Beloit, IL, which is right on the IL/WI border), and when I do I am seriously considering joining the AR chapter of the CP. Until then, I will be checking out this forum from time to time, and I hope that I will have something intelligent to say on occasion!

See you around!

Lonnie (TheSeventhStooge)

[BuckeyeGreg]

Last summer I found out about the Constitution Party and asked them to send me some material so that I could find out more about it. They sent me some fantastic stuff and asked me if I would display a campaign sign in my yard. Upon agreeing to do this, I finally felt like I was involved in a political party that truly had my values as their core beliefs. Living in one of the most Republican states in the Union, you would think that more people would want to investigate and find out what the CP was all about. Several people on my street had signs supporting Democratic candidates for office but guess who's signs were stolen about a week before the election? Nobody touched the Kerry signs even though the neighborhood is largely for the GOP. It saddened me but made my wife and I resolve to learn more about the CP. Although there are a few issues that I have small disagreements with, I am on board with the party as a whole. I am just a regular guy, trying to raise my family the way the Lord would want me to, teaching my children good values so that they can grow to be contributing citizens and good parents themselves. I have grown dissatisfied with the way the Republican party was giving in on certain issues and were not defending family issues that are very important to me. I am hoping that by frequenting this forum I can find good people who are concerned with the way this country is being run and are determined to do something about it. God bless!

[Michael A. Peroutka]

Reply to Lonnie (The Seventh Stooge):

I just read your note and want to tell you that you are most welcome and that I am most grateful for your participation in this forum.

It was my privilige during the campaign to have the opportunity to speak the truth about our form of government and the principles on which it was founded.

Many, many people have written and spoken to me of their appreciation for my candidacy and, of course, a few folks have been less than flattering in their remarks. Many people have said quite directly that they appreciated that they could go and vote for a presidential candidate with a clear conscience. Also, many still tell me that it was our race and our message that inspired them to "get off the couch" themselves.

I count all these communications -and yours - as a great joy. And I am more convinced than ever that our duty is to do our duty and not be overly concerned about the consequences.

"Duty is ours, results God's".

Thank you for your encouragement and for continuing to "plow your row" in His field.

Michael

[TheSeventhStooge]

Hey, Mr. Peroutka, the pleasure was all mine!

Thanks for your reply! I'll be seein you around the forum, and God be with you...

TheSeventhStooge...

[Tmax]

Mr. Peroutka, I think you would consider me one of those "folks who have been less than flattering with their remarks." There have been many times you have been less than flattering with remarks made of current elected officials, and I am guessing you have expected some response.
While I have been critical of things you have said, my comments made were not out of revenge or hate, but more out of frustration.
I see the CP as a Christian organization that cares about this country and would like to see God in American again, as I do. So when someone like John Loften makes a comment like "...because I know these folks. They are slow-learners —- if they learn at all" referring to some friends of his who are Republicans, it makes me wonder....

I realize that nobody is perfect and we all (including me) have made comments we wish we hadn't,but it seems to be a common thread running through the CP to bash the red party up one side and down the other.
If you look at all the political parties, reds, blues, greens, etc the CP should likey be able to pull a lot of votes away from the reds.
So my question is why isolate the Republicans and verbally trash and make fun of them? Sure it may get a good laugh from a die hard CP fan, but I think that it does more damage than good. Why would someone choose to vote CP if they were verbally attacked by the very people who want their vote?

Its fine to disagree with another person of a different politcal party. There is nothing wrong with that at all, but I think it very unprofessional to drag them through the mud EVEN IF they do it to you.
(For the record, I am not picking on Mr. Peroutka, I am annoyed when any politician who is considered to be a professional lowers themselves to "bashing" whether its President Bush, Sen. Kerry, one of the Clintons, Boxer, McCain, etc.)
Thats why if the CP is indeed the best party to be apart of then they should rise above the rest and act like they are worth voting for and then begin making realistic changes at what ever level they can, Mayor, City Counsel, Congressman and so on. Government cannot and will not change this country! Man to man, life by life, the Gospel of Jesus Christ lived out by God's children in the public square is the only thing that can and will change the hearts of men.

[Michael A. Peroutka]

Dear Tmax:

Thank youfor your thoughtful and respectful message. Although you were constructively chastising Mr. Lofton in your note, I am also "guilty as charged" of overstating my case at times.

More particularly, it is the personalizing of our comments and the demonizing of individuals that sometimes goes "over the line" and, I think, detracts from our efforts to persuade and to communicate.

Doug Phillips, whom I admire greatly, has impressed on me the need to be "winsome" in all our words and actions. Christ's command in Matthew 28:19 requires us to "teach", and I don't think we can do this effectively unless the hearer - the learner - reacts to us positively.

But I also believe that we are commanded to speak truth to power and this sometimes may seem to have an edge.

Let me ask a question. We are commanded to love our enemies but when we encounter the enemies of God, shouldn't we treat them as enemies? How does this affect what we say and how we say it?

I'd appreciate your thoughts.

Michael

[TheSeventhStooge]

I think Tmax makes a good point here, IMO.

The last thing I want to see in any conversation is mudslinging and insults/name-calling. I see that too often in other lines of debate or conversation, which I won't get into here, and I feel it is better to take the proverbial "high ground" and not use name-calling or insults to try to advance our agenda.

Disagreeing with someone is one thing, and maybe even telling someone that they are wrong is one thing, even if that "hurts their feelings" (no one wants to be told they are wrong). But saying that Mr. Republocrat is an idiot for voting this way or believing that way is over the line.

It can be hard to not do that in the heat of battle. I know that I fall short of that standard on many occasions. Last year at our church we had a four-week Wedensday night Bible study on politics and religion, and there were times where it got very heated, to the point where some didn't come back to our study until the topic was over. I was probably partly to blame, as there were plenty of times when I raised my voice and even stepped over that line (although I never insulted anyone, but my tone of voice could have been construed as an insult). It was a good experiencein in the end, though, because it showed me that I still need to be reminded of that constantly.

No wonder people stay away from political discussions. Generally speaking, it generates more heat than light.

TheSeventhStooge...

[ADGettis]

One radio host that I think does an exemplary job of avoiding any sort of negative tone while still standing fast to his convictions is Dennis Prager. Even though I don't always agree with him, I have the utmost respect for him because he never relies on anything but facts (as he sees them) and logic to make his point.

I enjoy TAV immensely, but I agree that a lot of other people might be put off by the jokes. It's too bad, too, because both hosts have good senses of humor, but maybe you can apply them in a less confrontational way.

[Joe_Liberty]

This is more first post to this forum after several unsuccessful attempts to register.

I joined the Constitution Party in 2000 after meeting Howard Phillips at a gun rally in the state capital and I collected signatures to get him on the ballot in New York.

I never thought there would be a candidate that would fit my views as much or better than Howard, but the Constitution Party came up with one in the person of Michael Peroutka. I voted for him and Chuck Baldwin in 2004. Mike almost always says want I would like to say, better than I can say it. I hope he runs again in 2008.

As for The American View, I have listened to several of the programs. Yeah, John is a little ornery, but we all have to work with the personality God gives us. I think the show has an effective good cop, bad cop quality. John provides the humor with his sarcasm and then Mike gets to chime in all humble and winsome.

[Tmax]

Mr. Peroutka, my apologies for not responding sooner.

First off, let me say I am very impressed with your reply. I admit I was expecting more of a confrontational response.

I agree with what you said about Christ's command in Matt 28:19:
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit..." (NASB)
Like you said, we won't be able to effectley teach if those hearers (or learners) unless they react to us positvely. Although, in some instances there may be "seeds planted" even if they react negatively.

You pose a good question. How should we treat an enemy of God? Well, how would Jesus treat them? Romans 12 is a great chapter, however, I won't post the whole thing here for the sake of length. But this chapter ends like this:

.....BUT IF YOUR ENEMY IS HUNGRY, FEED HIM, AND IF HE IS THIRSTY, GIVE HIM A DRINK; FOR IN SO DOING YOU WILL HEAP BURNING COALS ON HIS HEAD."
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Rom 12:20-21
(I did not add the capital letters, thats how the Word reads).

As far as the question you asked about those you would consider the enemies of God, and how you would treat them as enemies? Wow. Good question.
Speaking the truth can be quite controversial, especially this day and age where lots of people claim that truth is relative, or there is no absolute truth.

I suppose we have to remember that ultimately God loves those people we may consider His enemies. He died for everyone, not just the righteous. So I would think we are to treat those "enemies" with love, respect, mercy, and even forgiveness.
I don't mean we should back down from what is right, by any means. This country needs people, men, women & children alike to stand up for what this country was founded on and founded for!

I have to run....I'd like to discuss this further if possible. Thanks!

[NealStanley]

Just recently found my way here, it is good see that there are others out there that are making an arguement for limited government. I have long hoped that Kentucky's CP would have a forum such as this. I haven't done anything to try and make it happen but still I wanted one.

[Justin]

First of all I'd like to thank Mr. Peroutka and Mr. Lofton and everyone else involved in the creation of this site. I think this is really a wonderful thing.

I say amen to that!

Anyway, I am 18 and missed the 2004 Election by about 3 months. I was pre-registering (as a Republican) when my Mom told about the Constitution Party, well I decided I would go ahead and register as a Rep. (I figured I could always change) and that I would look at the CP website the next day. Let me tell you, after reading a lot of stuff on the website I saw I had no choice but to switch parties. I was a Republican long enough that I now consider myself a "Recovering Republican", ;) but not long enough to get "Republican" on my Voters Registration Card. :)

If there's anyone out there who hasn't registered with the CP because they don't think we'll "get off the ground" or "it won't last", well you can look at the statistics, we're getting more and more vote every election, and IMO we're gaining momentum every day so you better get in on the ground floor before we leave without you, and there WILL be a Constitution Party as long as I'm alive 'cause I ain't leaving.

[TimV]

I haven't seen Howie or John in about 15 years or so. How you guys doing? This is Tim Vaughan from the Chalcedon church in Calaveras. We voted Constitution last time around, and I'm doing my part trying to bring people over.

[Triton]

I haven't seen Howie or John in about 15 years or so. How you guys doing? This is Tim Vaughan from the Chalcedon church in Calaveras. We voted Constitution last time around, and I'm doing my part trying to bring people over.

Ya know, Tim - I am a Christian who is *not* a Zionist. You could be quite inflamm - er, I mean, informative and even entertaining if you would post an essay on this topic on your web site.

[GovernmentIsDangerous]

I am 19 and I discovered the CP about 2 years ago when doing research on politics for school online. I thought alot of it was right on. I also was reading from the Libertarian Party quite a bit too. And sorry to dissapoint many of you but I voted for Badnarik in 04. I honesltly don't regret it now, but I will probably vote for CP in 08. I don't really know why I picked Badnarik over Peroutka, because I would have gladly taken either. I still don't see much difference between the LP and CP, especially if one of them was voted in as a congressman.

I also am very fascinated by government conspiracy theories, as I believe a few here probably are, but I am not certain. I hold many views that most do not believe in including the government being behind the 9/11 attacks. I hope this doesn't turn people off to me. I love reading alot of the discussion here. I have never actually heard The American View program, however I agree with most of what they have to say on the episode recaps. Keep up the good work and God Bless,

Jared

[Joe_Liberty]

Hi Jared,

Glad to hear you will be voting for the Constitution Party in 2008. Don't forget to look for them in local elections between now and then as well.

As for the difference between the Constitution Party and the Libertarian Party, I have heard Howard Phillips explain it as the Libertarian Party believes man is sovereign, the Constitution Party believes that God is sovereign.

[TimV]

Ya know, Tim - I am a Christian who is *not* a Zionist. You could be quite inflamm - er, I mean, informative and even entertaining if you would post an essay on this topic on your web site.

So am I, and I'm not sure I see your point. Christian Zionism is a modernistic sect that is partly responsible for getting us into the Iraq war. Don't you know Falwell et. al. were behind it all the way and pushing it?

[GovernmentIsDangerous]

Hi Jared,

Glad to hear you will be voting for the Constitution Party in 2008. Don't forget to look for them in local elections between now and then as well.

As for the difference between the Constitution Party and the Libertarian Party, I have heard Howard Phillips explain it as the Libertarian Party believes man is sovereign, the Constitution Party believes that God is sovereign.

I believe that also, however, as with any party the members of the party have differing viewpoints, thanks for the welcome to the board.

[Patriot 2]

I agree all viewpoints are welcome, the CP building with Protestants, Catholics and many others.

One thing I stated when I joined, I would not alter my stance on abortion, homosexuality, gun control and NO Nativist Party.

[PatrickHenry]

I agree all viewpoints are welcome, the CP building with Protestants, Catholics and many others.

One thing I stated when I joined, I would not alter my stance on abortion, homosexuality, gun control and NO Nativist Party.What is the Nativist Party? (Anti-immigrant?)

Are your views on guns, gays and killing fetuses different from the Constitution Party?

I did some petitioning for ballot access in the 2004 election cycle. We didn't manage to jump through Hawaii's hoops and get a ballot spot.

Should CP folks be working on politics in off years? I didn't do squat this year. Any prospects for election victories in 2006? That's what a political party is for isn't it?

[Joe_Liberty]

Patrick Henry,

I agree with you. I just took a couple of days off, but I usually spend part of most days promoting the Constitution Party. To gain more votes in future election years we need to work all year every year.

There are prospects for victory in 2006, including Randy Stufflebeam for Illinois governor http://www.runrandyrun.com/ one of our key race candidates.

[Areopagus]

There are prospects for victory in 2006, including Randy Stufflebeam for Illinois governor http://www.runrandyrun.com/ one of our key race candidates.

ALL life is precious! The government of the state of Illinois has the responsibility to protect the lives of both the unborn and those who are unable to protect themselves.
As Governor, I will protect life! http://www.runrandyrun.com/

[Areopagus]

Patrick Henry,

I agree with you. I just took a couple of days off, but I usually spend part of most days promoting the Constitution Party. To gain more votes in future election years we need to work all year every year.

There are prospects for victory in 2006, including Randy Stufflebeam for Illinois governor http://www.runrandyrun.com/ one of our key race candidates.


WITH A REBEL YELL, THEY CRIED "MORE, MORE, MORE:"

Having just retired from the United States Marine Corps, and coming back to Illinois, the state of my birth, I couldn't believe what I came back to -- the corruption, the taxation, the lack of accountability, the poor way we treat our veterans, and the list goes on.

Further, the more I read and researched, the more I realized that there was no one on the political horizon that was truly representing "We, the People."

During the twenty-two and a half years of serving my country in the Marine Corps, I swore an oath:

"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same... So help me, God."

This is an oath that I made with my heart. It is as relevant to me now as it was the first time I made it on January 4, 1980. After retiring, I realized that while I was in the Marine Corps, my focus was in fighting the foreign enemy. Now that I am a civilian, it's time to fight the domestic enemy.

The following is an embellishment of the Illinois State Governor’s Oath of Office. The reason that I am embellishing it is that I already adhere to a personal oath that is more comprehensive than the one that I will be swearing to on the day that I am inaugurated as the 41st Governor of the State of Illinois.

“I, Randall C. Stufflebeam, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Illinois a gainst all enemies, foreign and domestic and that I will faithfully and honestly discharge the duties of the office of Governor to the best of my abilities; so help me God!”http://www.runrandyrun.com/

[exmarine]

To PatrickHenry-

I am wondering about your strange tagline - "Who would Jesus torture?" Is that an allusion to the current controversy over allegations of U.S. torture of terrorist prisoners?

First of all, Jesus doesn't need to torture to get information - He knows every motive, every secret, and every word ever said and everything everyone has ever done.

Would Jesus torture? No. Torture is a pejorative that implies unjust infliction of physical pain. Jesus cannot act unjustly. Indeed, He will be the judge of what is just and unjust violence. Clueless feminized Americans consider the playing of loud hip-hop music to be torture.

Will Jesus inflict pain? Oh yes! When Jesus returns and makes war against the nations, it will be exponentially more severe than what passes for torture these days, and it will be inflicted on the people and nations of the entire earth. There will be suffering on a scale that the world has never known, followed by an eternity in Hell for those whose names are not written in the book of life.

[exmarine]

Patrick Henry,

I agree with you. I just took a couple of days off, but I usually spend part of most days promoting the Constitution Party. To gain more votes in future election years we need to work all year every year.

There are prospects for victory in 2006, including Randy Stufflebeam for Illinois governor http://www.runrandyrun.com/ one of our key race candidates.

I feel a kinship with Stufflebeam. Like him, I also spent years in the U.S. Marine Corps, and I also grew up in the corrupt State of Illinois. I would seriously consider voting for him if I still lived there. Although I left there at age 21, my mom, sister, bother and their families all still live there. My dad (who died of cancer when I was 11 years old) is buried in Springfield and my older sister (who died in an auto accident in 1984) is buried in Peoria. When my mom passes away, her mortal remains will be buried on top of my dad in Springfield (who is buried 12 feet down).

As for me, I will probably live out my days and be buried in Texas, and will never live in Illinois again.

Ps. 103:15 [As for] man, his days [are] as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.
Psa 103:16 For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.
Psa 103:17 But the mercy of the LORD [is] from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

[PatrickHenry]

Glad you asked exmarine! (I know there are no ex-marines, only former Marines!)

The signature question is in relation to the current controversy over the appropriateness of torture, yes. Also the recent rhetorical question, "what would Jesus do?" I thought it was worth thinking about in the frame of reference of our President and his alleged commitment to Jesus. Even though we have heard continuing protestations from the Administration that "We don't do torture!", there is widespread disbelief of the truthfulness of that statement. Many domestic opponents of US policy and a vast number of citizens of other nations have seen the evidence that this group in charge of Washington nowadays are in fact modern day Torquemadas.

What is truly disappointing to me is the support they are receiving from the Religious Right. I interpret the WWJD? question to mean, "What are Jesus' ethics?" or maybe, "What would Jesus do if He had a limited understanding (like mine) and was faced with my circumstances?"

Suffice it to say I don't think He would be beating terror SUSPECTS, waterboarding them, kidnapping them and flying them on His private Gulfstream to Uzbekistan where electrodes could be applied to their balls.

I will say this directly. Torture is inhumane. It brutalizes the victim, the torturers and the society which justifies its application. My belief is that, as the worm turns, and ever more Godless and brutal regimes take charge of Washington, the torture so justified now by the Religious Right will be turned against those who refuse to bow the knee to the Emperor. We Christians need to have a very firm standard of righteousness to be applied to everyone including ourselves. Saddam had torture rooms? Then the US must not...

And of course those without repentance in eternity will suffer eternal torment. That is the Law of Nature that consequences follow actions. Everyone is invited to God's eternal party. If we turn down the invitation, then the only alternative is the outer darkness...

[Joe_Liberty]

WITH A REBEL YELL, THEY CRIED "MORE, MORE, MORE:"

Here is another candidate.
http://hagan4gov.com/index_001.htm

Other state parties in the news:
http://www.mlive.com/news/fljournal/index.ssf?/base/news-3/113690827373070.xml&coll=5#continue

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/113686171755190.xml&coll=7

[PatrickHenry]

I hope to find this place a bit easier to use than the last time I came calling.

It seemed very slow last go'round and now it is sufficiently speedy to be a pleasant pastime.

I am a committed Christian with some very strong libertarian leanings and a lot of experience writing on another forum. It recently kinda went hostile on me. I didn't get banned, but clearly the management was favoring other members, not me...

It looks like this place still has some activity, but hasn't been really hopping. I'll see if I can get some discussions going, and hope to have you folks drop in on some of my topics.