Christian Exodus

[radelster]

Hello,
my name is Joseph Elster.
I moved my family from Omaha, Nebraska to upstate, SC as part of the Christian Exodus movement. Since joining the movement, I also became aware of the Constitution Party (which I have never previously heard of). I am also proud to say I voted Constitution Party in the 2004 election.

I was wondering what the views on this forum are of the Christian Exodus group. www.christianexodus.org

Appreciate the comments (at least I am hoping I will :p

[truthman]

Sounds interesting. I was not aware of this movement. It looks like you're trying to make a Christian majority in South Carolina.

If I may ask a question...

The Christian Exodus movement plans for Christians and their families to move to South Carolina. Why haven't the founders moved there yet?

truthman

[radelster]

Sounds interesting. I was not aware of this movement. It looks like you're trying to make a Christian majority in South Carolina.

If I may ask a question...

The Christian Exodus movement plans for Christians and their families to move to South Carolina. Why haven't the founders moved there yet?

truthman


From the website:
The Burnells have family commitments and are planning their move for the end of 2006. Rev. Crockett and Dr. DeVries also have intentions of relocating, but they too have current commitments. Jim Taylor has no intention of moving. We hope our members understand that the very same challenges they face in moving and changing jobs are also faced by CE's leadership. Please afford them the same polite consideration.

[truthman]

I went to the website and watched most of the videos and read a lot of the material. Still sounds interesting. I have a few questions.

If Christian Exodus gets so many thousands to South Carolina, it's obvious they would obtain a majority in the voting populace and in local and state politics. Is one of your goals to get the Electoral College votes?

And, when would secession become a reality? What kind of federal opposition would be your breaking point for secession? Do you expect legal prosecution against your group if you ever do secede? Do you expect violent persecution if you ever do secede?

Please note that I'm not opposed to your group necessarily, I'm just very curious and need to know more.

truthman

[radelster]

I went to the website and watched most of the videos and read a lot of the material. Still sounds interesting. I have a few questions.

If Christian Exodus gets so many thousands to South Carolina, it's obvious they would obtain a majority in the voting populace and in local and state politics. Is one of your goals to get the Electoral College votes?

And, when would secession become a reality? What kind of federal opposition would be your breaking point for secession? Do you expect legal prosecution against your group if you ever do secede? Do you expect violent persecution if you ever do secede?

Please note that I'm not opposed to your group necessarily, I'm just very curious and need to know more.

truthman

I am speaking for myself, and not the movement.

I am not sure about the Electoral College votes. Although we do not see a Constitution Party candidate getting elected, we do believe that a vote for the party is NOT a wasted vote.

My opinion/feeling is that by having enough Christians join together, and make a difference in the local and then state elections that it will spur people around the country to do the same thing. Many people will ask now - why can't I do this where I currently live? The answer is that there is no UNITY. People TALK unity, but they do not act. By moving your family to another state, you are putting your faith into action and that itself makes a big statement.

As for secession, the goals of this movement extend over a period of 10+ years. Secession is a FINAL option, not a 'goal'. I envision it happening something like this (THIS IS A FICTIONAL EXAMPLE):

South Carolina exercises it's 10th amendment right and outlaws abortion. Prosecutions will start effective mm/dd/yy.
Federal government informs SC that they are in contempt of Supreme Court decision and orders them to overturn their law.
South Carolina refuses and continues prosecution of abortion doctors.
Federal government threatens military action if SC does not comply.
South Carolina declares secession from the United States of America.


So again, secession is a last and extreme measure. Unfortunately, that is the ONE WORD that the press has focused on, and blown out of proportion.

Hope this helps.

[truthman]

I am speaking for myself, and not the movement.

I am not sure about the Electoral College votes. Although we do not see a Constitution Party candidate getting elected, we do believe that a vote for the party is NOT a wasted vote.

My opinion/feeling is that by having enough Christians join together, and make a difference in the local and then state elections that it will spur people around the country to do the same thing. Many people will ask now - why can't I do this where I currently live? The answer is that there is no UNITY. People TALK unity, but they do not act. By moving your family to another state, you are putting your faith into action and that itself makes a big statement.

As for secession, the goals of this movement extend over a period of 10+ years. Secession is a FINAL option, not a 'goal'. I envision it happening something like this (THIS IS A FICTIONAL EXAMPLE):

South Carolina exercises it's 10th amendment right and outlaws abortion. Prosecutions will start effective mm/dd/yy.
Federal government informs SC that they are in contempt of Supreme Court decision and orders them to overturn their law.
South Carolina refuses and continues prosecution of abortion doctors.
Federal government threatens military action if SC does not comply.
South Carolina declares secession from the United States of America.


So again, secession is a last and extreme measure. Unfortunately, that is the ONE WORD that the press has focused on, and blown out of proportion.

Hope this helps.You're not going to believe this, but I talked to a lady at work about this movement. She went and talked to her husband. And today she started looking for homes there. They love the idea. I'm going to encourage her and her husband to join at the CE website ASAP.

I'm trying to find a spot at the website where the counties are that the CE researchers have selected. What county did you move to?

truthman

[radelster]

You're not going to believe this, but I talked to a lady at work about this movement. She went and talked to her husband. And today she started looking for homes there. They love the idea. I'm going to encourage her and her husband to join at the CE website ASAP.

I'm trying to find a spot at the website where the counties are that the CE researchers have selected. What county did you move to?

truthman

Hey cool,
I also talked with the pastor of a First Baptist church today about the movement to get his opinion on it and when folks call it a 'cult'. His opinion was that it is not cultic, but he sees it as being partisan or political.

I originally was aiming for the Columbia area. Spent 6 months looking for work and housing there. Looked very briefly at the Greenville area but didn't like it. Didn't want Charleston cuz it was too close to the coast. Ended up buying a house in Spartanburg County (although that was not one of their 'target' areas). This is a multi-year project so wherever anyone moves to will be great. Can always use like-minded people as neighbors and friends! It you want to have them contact me direct, they can do so at radelster@yahoo.com We have several homes available in our neighborhood!!

[Patriot 2]

Not a bad idea the CE

If nothing else, would put many in SC with CP leanings and may atleast lead to electoral victories in state and national elections. This would show that the CP would be electable (to the majority of citizens).

Could shape up some GOP and kick most of them out!

[PappaSmurf]

I heard about them just about 6 months ago, and have been getting all the info I can on them. My wife and our 3 kids are seriously considering a move to South Carolina. We can't go however until a molestation trial up in Oregon wraps up, and it hasn't even begun yet going on 10 months with the investigation. Please pray for us in this.

I discovered the Constitution Party in 2003, and was glad to find a home with them. It just went against my conscience to vote for republicans in sheeps clothing any more. I have only 2 bumper stickers now. 1 for the constitution party, and one for ChristianExodus.org

[h-bomb]

I'm up to my ears with fundamentalists. I
don't
care if they're Christian fundamentalists, Islamic fundamentalists,
Jewish fundamentalists, conservative fundamentalists, liberal
fundamentalists, etc., they have all proven themselves to be a clear
and
immediate danger to the survival of the human race. I have no quarrels
with what people believe until what they believe becomes more important
than human life, or until their religions tell them to kill--or praise
the killing of--innocent people.

I've never been much for the otherwise wholly despicable acts of racial
or ethnic "cleansing," but as each day goes by, I'm ever more in favor
of sterilizing fundamentalists so that their perverted brand of
psychological and spiritual cancer cannot metastasize beyond their own
incestuous groups.

[truthman]

I'm up to my ears with fundamentalists. I
don't
care if they're Christian fundamentalists, Islamic fundamentalists,
Jewish fundamentalists, conservative fundamentalists, liberal
fundamentalists, etc., they have all proven themselves to be a clear
and
immediate danger to the survival of the human race. I have no quarrels
with what people believe until what they believe becomes more important
than human life, or until their religions tell them to kill--or praise
the killing of--innocent people.

I've never been much for the otherwise wholly despicable acts of racial
or ethnic "cleansing," but as each day goes by, I'm ever more in favor
of sterilizing fundamentalists so that their perverted brand of
psychological and spiritual cancer cannot metastasize beyond their own
incestuous groups.First of all, you're out of conciliation with God.

Second of all, you're off topic.

Third, what's wrong with being fundamental? To be fundamental means that you 'boil the issues down' until there's nothing left but the fundamental truth.

Fourth, don't even think about sterilizing me, my wife or my children. You'll have to meet our home security system.

truthman

[h-bomb]

First of all, you're out of conciliation with God.

Second of all, you're off topic.

Third, what's wrong with being fundamental? To be fundamental means that you 'boil the issues down' until there's nothing left but the fundamental truth.

Fourth, don't even think about sterilizing me, my wife or my children. You'll have to meet our home security system.

truthman

First and foremost, to be observant of church teaching in one's personal life. The church seeks to convert individual souls to the love of God and neighbor; it has no armies to compel either.

[truthman]

First and foremost, to be observant of church teaching in one's personal life. The church seeks to convert individual souls to the love of God and neighbor; it has no armies to compel either.The individual shows faith, God does the 'conversion'. We as Christians are simply in the 'Department of Defections'. We are tools in bringing in those from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of God.

I'm not even sure why you brought up 'armies'. Of course we don't have armies, that's the government's job. Even our Holy Scriptures defend that notion in Romans 13.

Off topic again, eh? Start a new thread and I'll post responses there. I request that you stop hijacking this one.

truthman

[exmarine]

I'm up to my ears with fundamentalists. I
don't
care if they're Christian fundamentalists, Islamic fundamentalists,
Jewish fundamentalists, conservative fundamentalists, liberal
fundamentalists, etc., they have all proven themselves to be a clear
and
immediate danger to the survival of the human race. I have no quarrels
with what people believe until what they believe becomes more important
than human life, or until their religions tell them to kill--or praise
the killing of--innocent people.

I've never been much for the otherwise wholly despicable acts of racial
or ethnic "cleansing," but as each day goes by, I'm ever more in favor
of sterilizing fundamentalists so that their perverted brand of
psychological and spiritual cancer cannot metastasize beyond their own
incestuous groups.

Really? Seen any Christians fly a 757 into a building lately? How about a Christian suicide bomber taking out 30 women and children on a bus? Seen that?

Your equating Islamic radicals with Christianity is revolting and just plain STUPID! Don't you think before you type?

This forum is getting stinkier every day.

[exmarine]

I'm up to my ears with fundamentalists. I
don't
care if they're Christian fundamentalists, Islamic fundamentalists,
Jewish fundamentalists, conservative fundamentalists, liberal
fundamentalists, etc., they have all proven themselves to be a clear
and
immediate danger to the survival of the human race. I have no quarrels
with what people believe until what they believe becomes more important
than human life, or until their religions tell them to kill--or praise
the killing of--innocent people.

I've never been much for the otherwise wholly despicable acts of racial
or ethnic "cleansing," but as each day goes by, I'm ever more in favor
of sterilizing fundamentalists so that their perverted brand of
psychological and spiritual cancer cannot metastasize beyond their own
incestuous groups.

Forced sterilization? It seems you may need a forced labotomy.

[h-bomb]

Christians and War

The matter of war seems so repugnant to the teachings of Christ and his apostles. In the New Testament we readily witness how Christ focuses his attention in a primary sense on the principle of love and respect as the philosophy to govern the actions of men — even expressing love toward one’s enemies.

[exmarine]

Christians and War

The matter of war seems so repugnant to the teachings of Christ and his apostles. In the New Testament we readily witness how Christ focuses his attention in a primary sense on the principle of love and respect as the philosophy to govern the actions of men — even expressing love toward one’s enemies.

Pacifism is a false unbiblical doctrine. God Himself ordained Just War. Abraham fought the first one in Genesis. The bible and church fathers both support Just War. There are Christian soldiers in the bible, e.g Cornelius. If war was always wrong, then why did God use Joshua to make WAR on the Canaanites? Obviously, there are times when war is right and just...unless you want to say that God was wrong. Jesus spoke of turning the other cheek on a personal level, not a national one.

If you want to become educated biblically on Just War and the error of pacifism, try: "When is it Right to Fight?" by Dr. Robert Morey. You can pick it up on Amazon for $10 or less.

[jjs]

How is trying to win elections an act of war anyways?

[exmarine]

How is trying to win elections an act of war anyways?


Good question. I would like to know that myself. Now, I know why he calls himself H-bomb - he through some bombs into the forum that had nothing to do with the topic.

[h-bomb]

Pacifism is a false unbiblical doctrine. God Himself ordained Just War. Abraham fought the first one in Genesis. The bible and church fathers both support Just War. There are Christian soldiers in the bible, e.g Cornelius. If war was always wrong, then why did God use Joshua to make WAR on the Canaanites? Obviously, there are times when war is right and just...unless you want to say that God was wrong. Jesus spoke of turning the other cheek on a personal level, not a national one.

If you want to become educated biblically on Just War and the error of pacifism, try: "When is it Right to Fight?" by Dr. Robert Morey. You can pick it up on Amazon for $10 or less.

I hate war. Even when the results of defeat would be worse than the results of war, I hate war. It kills people and makes government stronger. But when the results of defeat would be worse, I face reality and support war.

Our Islamist enemies want to kill us all — starting with Jews and gays, but continuing to anyone who doesn’t convert to Islam and accept shari’a and the whole nine yards. That’s not melodrama, it’s reporting of the plain and simple statements Al-Qaeda uses in their recruiting videos. They want to kill us all. They demonstrated the deadly seriousness of this aim on 9/11.

[Mosaics]

What, exactly, is a "fundamentalist"?

[h-bomb]

What, exactly, is a "fundamentalist"?

A fundamentalist is a person of any religion who espouses conservative theological, political, and social views. Fundamentalists are often estranged from the religious establishment, which they sometimes perceive as needing repairs or replacement. Thus there are Islamic fundamentalists, Mormon fundamentalists, and so on. The first time that any group of Christians proclaimed themselves to be fundamentalists was in a meeting that took place in about 1900 in the United States. Accordingly, most Christians who call themselves fundamentalists live within the United States or are affiliated with religious movements that have roots in the United States. In general, they take the

[exmarine]

I hate war. Even when the results of defeat would be worse than the results of war, I hate war. It kills people and makes government stronger. But when the results of defeat would be worse, I face reality and support war.

Our Islamist enemies want to kill us all — starting with Jews and gays, but continuing to anyone who doesn’t convert to Islam and accept shari’a and the whole nine yards. That’s not melodrama, it’s reporting of the plain and simple statements Al-Qaeda uses in their recruiting videos. They want to kill us all. They demonstrated the deadly seriousness of this aim on 9/11.

Okay, but what does terrorism or Islam have to do with the topic on this thread of the Christian Exodus? It is a worthy topic, but perhaps you should start separate thread....

[exmarine]

A fundamentalist is a person of any religion who espouses conservative theological, political, and social views. Fundamentalists are often estranged from the religious establishment, which they sometimes perceive as needing repairs or replacement. Thus there are Islamic fundamentalists, Mormon fundamentalists, and so on. The first time that any group of Christians proclaimed themselves to be fundamentalists was in a meeting that took place in about 1900 in the United States. Accordingly, most Christians who call themselves fundamentalists live within the United States or are affiliated with religious movements that have roots in the United States. In general, they take the

I think your definition does injustice to Christian fundamentalism. I am a fundamentalist, but all that means to me is that the Word of God (the bible) is my ultimate authority on all matters. But I assure you, my theology and beliefs are perfectly consistent with the historic Christian faith. I believe in the inerrancy of scripture, the deity of Christ who is the second person of the Trinity, the virgin Birth, the bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ, salvation by faith alone in Christ alone by Grace alone.

Even though my government does not share my beliefs, and most of the denominational churches in the United States abandoned these historic and true creeds, I will not turn from them even if I am the last man. I believe as Peter the Apostle believed: That Jesus Christ has the words of life. Where else will I go? There is no other name under heaven by which man must be saved.

So, how is this dangerous?

[h-bomb]

Okay, but what does terrorism or Islam have to do with the topic on this thread of the Christian Exodus? It is a worthy topic, but perhaps you should start separate thread....
Why should the christian exit ? Why not stand up and fight for change? Why cant the peoples of this old world learn to live togeather no matter what they believe?

[truthman]

Why should the christian exit ? Why not stand up and fight for change? Why cant the peoples of this old world learn to live togeather no matter what they believe?Because Absolute Truth doesn't 'get along' with relative truth.

truthman

[h-bomb]

Because Absolute Truth doesn't 'get along' with relative truth.

truthman

When it comes to fundamentally wrong behavior, there is no tolerance. Wrong is wrong!"
“No one has the right to choose to do what is wrong.” Abraham Lincoln