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Areopagus
27th August 2005, 06:21
http://www.radioliberty.com/nlmar05.html

Professor Quigley explained the American political process:


"The chief problem of American political life for a long time has been how to make the two Congressional parties more national and international. The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy." [25]

The Power Elite sponsors candidates that run for office in both political parties, and one of their candidates almost always wins. That's why both parties support NAFTA, GATT, the WTO, Free Trade, subsidized trade with China, the transfer of national sovereignty to international organizations, expensive social programs, government medicine, massive government spending, illegal immigration, world government, and the war in Iraq.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Ohara/debbie29.htm
AMERICA'S TWO-PARTY SYSTEM IS A HOAX

"Political purity" is not an option so we're told by many who defend the Republican Party. We must learn to compromise. While I'm not against compromise when there is no principle involved, clear violations of the U.S. Constitution and/or biblical principles cannot be tolerated on any level. When we allow those principles to be compromised we are virtually saying that there is no right or wrong. Evil and illegal compromises are made every day by members of both parties, but they know they have nothing to fear from the people because most Americans are more loyal to one of the two political parties than to any moral principles. Party loyalty has played a large part in both the moral and economic decline of our country. For a Christian there are definite rights and wrongs that are set in stone. It is not that people who vote for "third" parties are not willing to compromise when possible, but they find voting meaningless unless they have a chance to vote for a candidate of good character.


Professor Carroll Quigley was not some "right wing radical" who was trying to make the establishment look bad. A mentor of former president Bill Clinton, Quigley was in the know about how America was being intentionally transformed from a God-fearing free country to atheistic socialism by wealthy individuals working together behind the scenes of government. These individuals figured that if they could give the people two candidates with the same socialist goals but still call one a "Democrat" and one a "Republican", they could give the people the illusion of choice while keeping the country headed in the same direction no matter who was elected to office. We can see that the American people have fallen hook, line and sinker for this tactic, because at this moment we have a Republican president who has been able to push more social programs than many Democrats would have even dared, but he still receives the support of most "conservatives".

I resoundingly agree with Dr. Blumenfeld's comment that the daunting problems facing conservatives are in a large part caused by the fact that "the vast majority of Christians still put their children in atheistic public schools, thus helping our secular-humanist monster create more dumbed-down brainless American adults." Most people I know that call themselves "conservative" are socialists and don't realize it. That's why they don't see how really far left the Republican Party has gone. The dumbing down process has been a great success.

http://www.sierratimes.com/03/05/23/featureronpaul.htm

Q. Sir, on May 6th, on the floor of the house you asked the question: "Are the American people determined they still wish to have a Constitutional Republic." How would you answer that question, Sir?

A. A growing number of Americans want it, but a minority, and that is why we are losing this fight in Washington at the moment. That isn't as discouraging as it sounds, because if you had asked me that in 1976 when I first came to Washington, I would have said there were a lot fewer who wanted it then. We have drifted along and, although we have still enjoyed a lot of prosperity in the last twenty-five years, we have further undermined the principles of the Constitution and private property market economy. Therefore, I think we have to continue to do what we are doing to get a larger number. But if we took a vote in this country and told them what it meant to live in a Constitutional Republic and what it would mean if you had a Congress dedicated to the Constitution they would probably reject it. It reminds me of a statement by Walter Williams when he said that if you had two candidates for office, one running on the programs of Stalin and the other running on the programs of Jefferson the American people would probably vote for the candidate who represented the programs of Stalin. If you didn't put the name on it and just looked at the programs, they would say, Oh yeah, we believe in national health care and we believe in free education for everybody and we believe we should have gun control. Therefore, the majority of the people would probably reject Thomas Jefferson. So that describes the difficulty, but then again, we have to look at some of the positive things which means that we just need more people dedicated to the rule of law. Otherwise, there will be nothing left here within a short time.

GovernmentIsDangerous
28th August 2005, 12:17
Nice post, 2 of those links you posted are good sites. Radio Liberty, which is Dr. Stan Monteiths radio shows site, and NewsWithViews which I read often.

I agree with the post entirely, the founding fathers are all rolling in their graves :( .

rimchamp77
29th August 2005, 11:15
The problem lies in the fact that our government grew to be so big because increasingly large numbers of people insisted [and currently insist] on imposing their narrow values [mostly unrelated to real morality] on others. Imposition of these peccadilloes requires more governmental authority and intrinsically raises the level of government intervention. This gives those with economic power the ability to divide and divert those people with honest convictions from examination of serious moral problems such as extreme lack of honesty from public officials, intervention in other countries internal politics [yes, we supported Al Quaida and Saddam and just about every other tin horned dictator because it is cheaper to subvert autocracies than to empower entire countries with fair and equitable economic policies], wholesale regulation of commerce [at whose benefit, certainly not the consumer or citizen], and wholesale protectionism of upper tier economic interests at the expense of citizen taxpayers.
The Republican party is particularly adept at co opting "moral" issues as their own. They use them as a means of expanding governmental power with programs such as the War on Drugs and the War on [islamic] Terror. Anyone who examines these false issues quickly realizes that the War on Drugs has nothing to do with real moral issues and that the War on Islam has more to do with ideology than real moral values since Islamic countries have seen their moral doctrines subverted in the very same manner as Christian doctrines are now being subverted here - using the same taxpayer monies. The sooner we adopt a disciplined moral stance and stop trying to use our religion to justify ourselves before others - utilizing governmental power to make others' lives miserable - the sooner we can disempower those who would manipulate religious doctrine for immoral purposes.

exmarine
29th August 2005, 11:44
Anyone who examines these false issues quickly realizes that the War on Drugs has nothing to do with real moral issues and that the War on Islam has more to do with ideology than real moral values since Islamic countries have seen their moral doctrines subverted in the very same manner as Christian doctrines are now being subverted here - using the same taxpayer monies. The sooner we adopt a disciplined moral stance and stop trying to use our religion to justify ourselves before others - utilizing governmental power to make others' lives miserable - the sooner we can disempower those who would manipulate religious doctrine for immoral purposes.

I was tracking with you until you compared Islamic doctrines to Christian doctrines and suggested that Islamic moral doctrines were subverted (suggesting that at one time they were correct). Nothing could be further from the truth. Islam is as it was in the beginning: A religion of hate and violence. All one has to do is look at the founder of Islam, and Islam's history of violence and warmongering, to see that terrorism is hardly inconsistent with historical Islam. In fact, if not for Charles "The Hammer" Martel and God's mercifcul protection, Europe would have been Islamic 1000 years ago. The evidence is clear, and despite what our theologian-in-chief (Mr. Bush) has said, Islam is most certainly NOT Peace, and that Christians and muslims most certainly do NOT worship the same God.

On the other hand, hatred and random violence are absolutely inconsistent with the doctrines of the founder of Christianity. It is Islam that uses religion to justify genocide and tyranny, and it is wholly consistent with its own past and founder in doing so.

Everyone has a worldview (a set of first assumptions) through which they view the world and their part in it, and they live their lives according to their worldview whether they realize it or not. Every worldview has at its core a person's basic belief about God and His will for their life. One's view of who God is will dictate all other beliefs. For example, secular humanists believe there is no God, and therefore they almost invariably believe in Darwinian evolution, that all reality can be reduced to mere material forces, that human beings are just matter in motion with no intrinsic value, and that religion is just superstitious nonsense (the worldview of many in our government today). We see the results of that worldview in Stalinist Russia and Maoist China.

In contrast, Christians believe in special Creation of all things by God, and therefore that human beings have intrinsic value as they are created in the image of God, and that God cares about and interferes in the affairs of men across the spectrum of human life. Since my worldivew is Christian, I live and act in the belief that God is pertinent and active in all aspects of life, including politics and war.