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toddpedlar
13th August 2005, 03:07
I am absolutely amazed that you have people contacting you have argued that Roberts "had to say the things he said in his 2003 congressional hearings".

What in the world is this?! Is the commentator a Christian? Where does he find Biblical teaching that supports the idea that, when under oath, Roberts was able (let alone HAD TO) to lie in order to "sneak in"? Since when is lying, when one has placed his own soul under oath to God, a Biblically viable option? What Bible is this commentator reading? Lying under oath is quite simply abominable. Advocacy of lying under oath is nearly as bad.

Roberts owed it to God, to his Christian brothers and sisters, to his country, to everyone, to plainly tell the truth. As John said on the 17th show, I too believe that Roberts is telling the truth in that testimony in which he said that nothing in his personal belief system would cause him to argue against upholding Roe v. Wade. He is another O'Connor - just what the Republicans want (and just what Hillary and her friends want).

Triton
13th August 2005, 06:23
I am absolutely amazed that you have people contacting you have argued that Roberts "had to say the things he said in his 2003 congressional hearings".

What in the world is this?! Is the commentator a Christian? Where does he find Biblical teaching that supports the idea that, when under oath, Roberts was able (let alone HAD TO) to lie in order to "sneak in"? Since when is lying, when one has placed his own soul under oath to God, a Biblically viable option? What Bible is this commentator reading? Lying under oath is quite simply abominable. Advocacy of lying under oath is nearly as bad.

Roberts owed it to God, to his Christian brothers and sisters, to his country, to everyone, to plainly tell the truth. As John said on the 17th show, I too believe that Roberts is telling the truth in that testimony in which he said that nothing in his personal belief system would cause him to argue against upholding Roe v. Wade. He is another O'Connor - just what the Republicans want (and just what Hillary and her friends want).

Perhaps if they phrased the question a little differently: "Judge Roberts, do you think Roe v Wade was correctly decided in the first place?" I think there is a fair possibility he could have been answering honestly, and yet, still believe that Roev Wade needs to be overturned.

TheSeventhStooge
14th August 2005, 03:21
Todd,

Your post speaks to me of an issue that I have concerning Christians and politics. Thanks for giving me an opening! And I will try to be as clear as I can in stating my belief/concern/opinion

Politics, as it stands today, is a job for liars and thieves. It seems like the only good politicians are the ones who can lie with a straight face and tell the people what they want to hear. Of course, once they get elected they forget what they said and strike out on their own agenda.

This is where my concern with respect to Christians getting involved in politics. How many men and women have been elected who have sincerely wanted to be honest and forthcoming, only to succumb to the pressures of Washington or the local state and start "doing as the Romans do" once they see how government really works?

For instance, let's say that Michael Peroutka would have won the presidential election. What are the odds that he would still be able to stand on his platform and stick to it, as opposed to falling into the Washington crowd (if you are reading this, sir, I do not mean any disrespect toward you, and I apologize if I have offended you. I am simply raising an issue of honesty vs. corruption)?

It seems like the only way we are going to get honesty back into the political machine that is our federal government is for a massive number of true believers in the Lord Jesus to get elected all at once. If we could eliminate, for instance, 150 corrupt representatives in the House and 33 in the Senate, and replace them with honest men and women, perhaps something could be done to clean up the mess. But one here and one there? I don't know; we would have to pray hard to God that the single individual could stand up to the machine.

It seems like Ron Paul is an exception to this rule, although a good exception based on what I have read and seen of him. But I know it would be very tempting for me to be given, for instance, a free trip to Chicago to watch a Bears/Packers game, all at taxpayer's expense (BTW, I am a Bears fan if you want to know!). Or to vote for $25 billion for my state for various projects. Or to pass a law outlawing the Green Bay Packers forever (just kidding!).

I don't want to sound defeatist by any means. It is just a concern that I have. I look at men like Bill Clinton and wonder, is this guy a great politician because he is such a good liar? And then I look at a man like Jimmy Carter and wonder, this guy was (at least from what I saw) one of the most honest men to be elected president in my lifetime, and yet he was such a lousy politician.

It goes back to a biblical principle when it comes to mankind:
1) There is a way to each of us that seems right, although it leads to destruction (Proverbs 14:12),
2) The hearts of men are filled with evil and there is madness in his heart while he lives (Ecclesiastes 9:3), and
3) The ears of men want to hear what they want to hear, not what is true.

I hope I made myself understood properly. If not, feel free to ask me what I meant by this or that statement.

Comments?

TheSeventhStooge...

exmarine
19th August 2005, 07:05
Hello Todd and SeventhStooge-

I agree that we must elect Christians to political office, and not just those who PROFESS to be Christian, but those who have demonstrated through consistent deeds that they are Christians.

In so doing, we are following the advice of one of our greatest founding fathers, John Jay, who said that we should prefer and select Christians as our representatives. He was absolutely correct because those who do not know the One and True God do not have the Truth, and those who do not have the Truth, are far less able to govern lawfully and righteously. A Christian worldview is essential.

After all, Jesus is Lord over ALL OF LIFE, not just private life. He is Lord over each person and over every government (which are all established by Him to do Good).

As I see it, the root of the problem is the lack of virtue in the American people. Virtue, that sine qua non element that our founding fathers declared as essential in maintaining our republic, is sorely lacking in the American people. It has been displaced by licentiousness. Many equate licentiousness with liberty. But they are not synonymous. As a great man once said, "Licentiousness destroys order and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom."

If one cannot discern liberty (freedom with limits) from licentiousness (unbridled hedonism), our Republic cannot stand. As John Adams said, our Constitution was written for a moral and religious people and it is inadequate for the government of any other.

God help us.

Blessings,

Mark Fisher

Triton
19th August 2005, 10:48
I agree that we must elect Christians to political office, and not just those who PROFESS to be Christian, but those who have demonstrated through consistent deeds that they are Christians

In other words, we must elect the Elect.